[ElFitz]

It’s going to sound like a trope, but having discovered Svelte yesterday, I don’t understand how I ever could see React as "fine" anymore.

I’m just waiting for the other shoe to drop. It can’t just be that simple, can it? There has to be a catch.

[tjrDL6MjB2Zwwa]

Funnily enough, I've avoided react/angular/vue as much as possible specifically because I've _always_ felt it was fundamentally the wrong approach. When I first discovered svelte my reaction was "thank god someone else sees it too".

Over the years I've moved further and further from the web as a result of that belief. I still do web work when needed and as a result I'm familiar with vue and angular but I actively try to avoid knowing any more about them than I absolutely need to for accomplishing the goal.

[ElFitz]

Coming from iOS, with their Massive ViewControllers, and the occasional (usually half-baked) MVVM, it didn’t seem that bad at first.

On the contrary; components! Finally reusable pieces of UI! Try doing that when everyone on a team is hell-bent on their One Storyboard to Rule Them Al. Even if you did, @IBDesignable (used to preview components in Storyboards) would just crash anyway.

Instantaneous reloading! Even when it takes a bit of time, it takes less than 3 minutes. Pretty much instantaneous when coming from Xcode.

So, yes, React too was a pleasant surprise at first. The kind you get when you take of shoes that are just a tad too small.

[zoover2020]

Out of curiosity, and I'm asking this as a curious React dev, what made you change your mind about it?

[ElFitz]

So far, everything I’ve had to type in it was code specific to what I was doing. And that feels nice.

The extra boilerplate that doesn’t bring any value to me, as a dev, when needing to update values at runtime. I find two-way binding to just be simpler.

Same thing for the components and their props.

But I also get why some wouldn’t appreciate having things getting "automagically" done for them.

[satvikpendem]

You couldn't pay me to write in another HTML template language like in Svelte or Vue.

[heatmiser]

Over Preact? I'm a little confused by your comment.

[satvikpendem]

Not sure what part is confusing, Svelte and Vue have their own template languages inside HTML, I don't want to write another `v-for` or a `#if :else` instead of JS/TS.

[graftak]

Jsx is just js with a thin layer of sugar.

[jefozabuss]

I had the same feeling with Vue2-3 a while ago, I'd say Svelte is relatively similar in feelgood as both eliminate a lot of annoyances to create "leaner" components compared to React.

[crucialfelix]

The lack of libraries to work at a higher level, with more powerful UI components.

At the moment it's really just Material. (And that looks a bit messy on the inside)

We need a chakra or radix or?

[cageface]

I've been using daisyui + svelte and I'm pretty happy with it so far. It may not be as rich as some of the react UI libraries but the basics are all there.

https://daisyui.com/

[crucialfelix]

That looks promising, and not stuck to a single tech (svelte, react).

So it's a tailwind plugin that uses apply to create new css classes for components.

[cageface]

Yeah the framework independence is one thing that drew me to it.