[ceejayoz]

> Do we make them pay a huge fine and climate change is averted?

We should make them pay a huge fine even if the damage they did can't be reversed. Perhaps especially if.

[danbruc]

How much green house gases did Exxon actually release? They produced a lot of oil and gas which comes with some emissions, but you know who actually released the majority of green house gases, you and me. And the industry, but even them really only on our behalves because we wanted them to make stuff for us. So should we not better fine ourselves?

[ceejayoz]

> How much green house gases did Exxon actually release?

Plenty, and to Godwin a little, Hitler didn't personally kill any Jews.

> you know who actually released the majority of green house gases, you and me

And Exxon deliberately took steps to reduce the amount of useful information available to make those decisions.

[danbruc]

I am not saying Exxon did not do bad things, but truth is, consumers are the ones that drove the demand. Even if you make Exxon shut down today, nothing will change, someone will come and fill the gap if the consumer behavior does not change.