[sodapopcan]

I don’t know much about your project but these tools are really meant to be used in conjunction with “html over the wire” frameworks. IE, your JS has zero business or app logic and is just taking care of small UI concerns like transitions and showing modals. They scale just fine in these situations.

[tjrDL6MjB2Zwwa]

exactly this, and honestly, I feel like we need to get back to this model as an industry.

There are times when full-blown SPA is superior, but not nearly as often as people currently think. And the toolchains get vastly simpler when you're not doing SPA too.

[quantiq]

Exactly. I used alpine in combination with django for a project and it quickly became a nightmare to maintain when alpine started to take care of app logic / SPA-type reactivity.

Alpine is just not designed with that sort of application in mind, nor should it be.