[JumpCrisscross]

> how does this compare with Tesla?

Mercedes appears to be indemnifying drivers when its tech is engaged. That's frankly the bigger first for me than SAE Level 3.

[sschueller]

Might also be a problem because I am sure this is a calculated risk. We can pay X amount of law suites until our profit is impacted.

Didn't Ford do a similar thing with their explorer? They knew about a roll over issue but decided that it was finacilly cheaper to pay the lawsuits than recall the vehicle.

[JumpCrisscross]

> sure this is a calculated risk

Sure hope it was! Point is they're putting their money where their mouth is. That's new.

[Karellen]

But the level they're selling still requires that the driver be able to resume control when notified. So the "the car notified the driver to take over, disengaged, and shortly following that the driver crashed the car" narrative is still possible, even when the "shortly following that" might actually be "0.1s later". Sorry, our tech wasn't engaged at the time, you're actually the one at fault here.

Yes, the standard requires that the driver be given "a few seconds" to resume before the system disengages, but things can change dramatically in a few seconds at highway speeds.

[cgeier]

At least for the German version, they notify the driver with 10s before they need to take over.

[Dylan16807]

Such a narrative would be immediately called out. I really don't think that kind of trickery is something to worry about.

> things can change dramatically in a few seconds at highway speeds

In the immediate term, "brake enough not to hit things" is a very good default response and a computer should be better than a human at doing so.

[vagrantJin]

> Such a narrative would be immediately called out.

Really?

Tesla has done exactly that - refusing liability because autopilot returned control to the driver in less than a second before the crash.[0]

No one called them out on it. There was a lot of hand wringing and feigned outrage but Musk's ass needs to be kissed and it ain't gonna kiss itself.

[0](https://www.google.com/amp/s/techcrunch.com/2022/05/18/nhtsa...)

[Dylan16807]

I don't see that in the link you provided? I think I heard of this crash, but I don't remember specifics, and it looks like Tesla didn't comment.

On a page of statistics they put together, they said "we count any crash in which Autopilot was deactivated within 5 seconds before impact", and that seems sufficient for a level 2 system.

[realityking]

This is a straw man. Mercedes gives you 10s to take over, for those 10s the car remains in controls & Mercedes liable.

Not good enough to take a nap but good enough to be texting or reading.

[sebzim4500]

In their safety reports, Tesla considers a crash to be caused by AP if the crash happens within 5 seconds of disengagement.