[majormajor]

I think there's a pretty clear line in many places in today's western world about the difference between "directly causing death" and "causes fractional death."

So comparing "directly dying from construction" to "commuting in a car" is a big reach.

Diet, stress, physically-taxing-if-not-directly-fatal jobs, cancer-linked chemicals, pollution, etc. Tradeoffs made at both the societal and individual level every day.

Even in cars, consider the difference in attention "death from direct failure of the vehicle or manufacturer" gets compared to the more-random "accident that could've happened to anyone" increased-death-probability cases.

And that ties us neatly back to construction! We have many more things in place for construction safety - from regulations to equipment to practices - but it doesn't prevent there from being any loss of life, still. We just don't want to go backward.

[gpcz]

All death is "fractional" if you make a fraction out of it. For example, dividing the number of people that died making the Empire State Building by the total number of workers. It seems subjective which fractions matter and which don't. It seems to be based on how much the responsibility can be laundered.

[kragen]

i don't understand why you think directly dying from having a steel i-beam fall on you is so different from directly dying from having a toyota hilux t-bone you in your civic, but you say it's 'a big reach'

aren't these both random 'accidents that could've happened to anyone'

do you maybe think that the foreman on a construction site sometimes picks one of the employees and orders him to get killed that day or something

[samstave]

Ill never forget;

I was a Title Runner when I was 18 in Reno. The Clarion had been purchased, and renamed Atlantis - and they were adding on/remodeling it...

I was driving by and there was a crane lifting a pile of I-Beams to the top of the tower... and as I was driving, I looked and thought "Damn, that would suck if they dropped that"

THE CABLE IMMEDIATELY BROKE and all the beams fell like 15 stories!!!

I got really freaked out and said "Ill never focus on disasters like that again."

Luckily nobody was injured, but I was mentally scarred.

[samstave]

"Pre-emptive Health Neutralization" was one of the names for the CIA's kill list eras (they always change the name for the kill list such that it compartmentalizes and rewrites the history of what is being said (narrative) - I believe that one was Reagan's name for it. I believe the kill-list name changes with each POTUS as stated by Annie Jacobson

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=joe+rogan+annie...