[blamestross]

I'm totally chill with humans reading and stealing from each other. I'm not ok with cooperations automating and capitalizing on it.

[andybak]

So - with me as an individual and not a corporate entity - you're OK if I generate AI derived from your creative output?

[blamestross]

If you run the algorithm entirely on the pile of fat in your skull, YES!

[andybak]

But that's very different to what you said previously:

> I'm totally chill with humans reading and stealing from each other. I'm not ok with cooperations automating and capitalizing on it.

Where do you draw the line? I've used AI in very subtle ways in creative projects. Would you object to 1% use of AI? 10%?

Or are you saying "no training at all no matter what the end-use will be"?

[blamestross]

There isn't a hard boundary between "somebody messing around, learning, and making art" and "capital holders stealing from everyone" but my real problem is the latter state of affairs, AI isn't really relevant to the morality of the situation just a means to an end. A situation where they use massive volumes of labor to the same ends would have similar issues (ignoring the obvious human rights violations). The only problem AI has is that it makes abuse more efficient.