[throw8383833jj]

It's so true:

* I can't even install Netflix on my Iphone 7+ anymore (the phone practically brand new, it is less than 6 six years old!)

* Screens in cars replacing usable buttons, are a disaster. give me buttons and knobs.

* the TV takes 15 seconds to start up??? and takes 10+ seconds to select a youtube video to watch. back when I was a kid, tvs turned on right away and you could change the channel in less than a second.

[apocalyptic0n3]

> the TV takes 15 seconds to start up??? and takes 10+ seconds to select a youtube video to watch. back when I was a kid, tvs turned on right away and you could change the channel in less than a second.

I'm not old (mid-30s) so maybe TVs that predate me were quicker, but I remember the old Zenith[1] in the living room would take 10-15s to warm up and sometimes we had to turn it off and on again a few times to get the picture to work. The DLP Sony that replaced it was even worse; upwards of 30s before the picture was more than a dim outline moving on the screen.

TVs are objectively better in terms of speed (my Samsung Q70 takes about 5s to boot; quicker than my Apple TV) and picture quality today. You can make an argument that the smart TV aspect of a TV is worse, but you can also just not connect it to the internet and use a Roku or Chromecast or Apple TV.

1: https://image.invaluable.com/housePhotos/Aether/24/683824/H2...

[superasn]

I guess it's the glass half full or empty type situation

1. You can watch your favorite movie sitting on a bus stop

2. sure but i can listen to any song i like those that aren't on my playlist thanks to 4g instead of hearing annoying radio ads. i can frickin see the tyre pressure of each individual tyre fwiw.

3. yes but again i can watch anything i like as compared to having a tivo or even before that when you missed your favorite show at 9pm, you missed it forever.

[winrid]

2. You don't need to replace all the important knobs with a screen to do this. Also, even my truck without a touchscreen shows the individual tire pressures, so...

[winrid]

(oh and my fancy GTI with a touch screen doesn't, funny enough)

[barbs]

> I can't even install Netflix on my Iphone 7+ anymore (the phone practically brand new, it is less than 6 six years old!)

Are you running an old version of iOS? I can run Netflix on my iPhone SE running iOS 15.7.1, which should be available for your iPhone 7+.

[adamredwoods]

* One reason i enjoy actual buttons on car devices, is that I can feel them when driving and not looking at them.

* I bought a new Xbox just last Xmas. I bought the physical discs, but still had to download 100GB in data, which took a couple hours, to play the game.

[komali2]

Not to do a console war but the "pitch" of a console to me had always been "it just works." You don't know about computers, you don't wanna know about computers, you just wanna buy the disc, come home, put it in, pick up your controller, and play. The hardest part about the experience is supposed to be plugging the correct cords in between the console and your TV.

Nowadays you might as well just game on a PC because it's just as much work apparently, especially to play online.

[kirkules]

Omfg and car screens universally have an input lag of over 1 second, so not only do i have to take my eyes off the road to interact with it but i have to extend my interaction by several more seconds for any multi step process. Screens might even be okay if it weren't for the input lag

[MikusR]

You had youtube in your tv when you were a kid?