[dzhiurgis]

Same experience in NZ - you only start to see how hopeless europe is when you come back. I had 0 interaction with gov clark in nearly a decade in NZ, while in europe any sort of errand would require in face meetings. Even some digital forms would just email the form to a person in ivory tower for validation, who’ll tell you to visit office anyway…

[simongray]

Europe is not one place with one single bureaucracy.

[dzhiurgis]

Of course some places are better, but overall it's clearly blind to own faults.

[sofixa]

"Europe".

Counterpoint, in France the vast majority of bureacratic things can be done fully online. Last time i had to go in person was for a passport/ID card, so there are multiple good reasons (photo, biometric info, confirm your identity) for that. Some of the websites are not great, and sometimes they send you a confirmations by mail, but otherwise a pretty painless experience.

[dzhiurgis]

Do you still need 3pieces of paperwork or permits just to buy a car?