[YorkshireSeason]

> Lobotomy was generally not voluntary on the part of the patient [...] curious how you feel about other forms of body modification

In what sense can children consent to genital mutilation, since they do not understand at all human sexuality and the human sex drive, since the have had absolutely no experience with it? Virtually all other forms of body modification are also not legal for children.

[haswell]

> In what sense can children consent to genital mutilation

First, I think it’s important to draw a distinction between the practice of genital mutilation - a practice that is alive and well in various cultures and maims significant numbers of kids every year in the name of religious superstition - from sex change operations.

Regardless of what you think about the appropriate age for such a decision, reducing this to “genital mutilation” trivializes the issue and tries to draw a comparison with a barbaric practice despite there being no connection between the two.

Almost all forms of surgery would appear barbaric on the surface if not for the significant utility of undergoing those surgeries. That doesn’t mean we should equate cutting someone open and removing their appendix with a ritualistic religious practice that appears similar at face value.

That said, I made no claims about the appropriateness of these surgeries for minors, nor do I believe someone at that age is mature enough to understand the implications of such.

That doesn’t change anything that I wrote though, even if it’s an important factor to consider for a subset of potential patients.

[YorkshireSeason]

(1) it is a sex change operation, please do not misrepresent modern genital mutilation. Sex is a biological phenomenon to do with reproduction and, simplifying a small bit: there are two sexes, male and female. A man whose genitals are mutilated does not become a women (i.e. gains the ability to give birth to children).

(2) the purpose of modern genital mutilation for the mutilatee is to facilitate sex fraud, and for the mutilator is, one imagines, money.

(3) if believe someone at that age is mature enough to understand the implications of modern genital mutilation, you will have to face the question why you trivialise it. Your writing here may, directly or indirectly lead to more modern genital mutilation. Speech has consequences.

[YorkshireSeason]

Whoops, typo. "(1) it is a sex change operation ..." should be: "(1) it is not a sex change operation"

[skfingngihg]

There’s no difference- it all leaves kids infertile and orgasm naïve

[antifa]

Contrary to popular hysteria, it's extraordinary rare that anyone under the age of medical consent is given what you would call "bottom surgery".

As far as parents forcing children into genital mutilation, this is actually very popular and common elective medical procedure, but the word you're looking for is circumcision.

[YorkshireSeason]

"extraordinary rare" is still too much, and trivialises the issue. There is serious lobbying in place in many countries to make it happen more. As you know, the only acceptable rate is 0. One important stepping stone in getting this rate back down to 0 is to make it illegal tout court even for adult. There should not even be medical infrastructure for such mutilation.

Aside, your user name here is after an organisation founded by one of world history's worst mass murderers. Can I suggest to show empathy with his victims, and not use this term? Using it trivialises his crimes.

[antifa]

> "extraordinary rare" is still too much

I'm just being generous, I'm not technically aware of a single instance.

> even for adult

Is this a theocratic totalitarianism thing or a hatred for humanity and hatred of personal freedom thing?

[SerLava]

Children don't get gender surgeries. Stop spreading misinformation