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by hexomancer 1262 days ago
We didn't know what electricity really was when we created electric lightbulbs.
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That analogy doesn’t work. We knew we were trying to build a light bulb. There were properties of electricity, a complex physical phenomena, that we did not understand. However, we have a rigorous understanding of Turing machines. We have a nascent understanding of human intelligence.
We don't have a rigorous understanding of neural networks.
Hadn’t it been thoroughly studied and understood for over 100 years at that point? Ben Franklin was studying it, after all.
Electron was discovered 1897 but the first lightbulb was 1802.

There are more examples as well, as another user has commented, we didn't know what fire is until relatively recently but we have been using it for thousands of years.

That sounds a bit early - whats your source? This one says at least mid 19th century for not practical electric lights https://www.energy.gov/articles/history-light-bulb

But either way, is knowing the electron knowing electricity? There are so many properties of it that can be known and manipulated without that insight- and indeed they built up that understanding to reach practical engineering and use of electricity. That’s what I think is being gotten at wrt intelligence.

“Knowing” something isn’t necessarily about being aware of its smaller parts.

> That sounds a bit early - whats your source?

The source you linked already cites it as the first arc lamp.

> But either way, is knowing the electron knowing electricity? There are so many properties of it that can be known and manipulated without that insight- and indeed they built up that understanding to reach practical engineering and use of electricity. That’s what I think is being gotten at wrt intelligence.

Yes. That is exactly my point. We don't need to entirely understand what intelligence is in order to be able to create it. The same way we didn't know what fire is, but we created it with no problem.

Ok, I’ll give you the lightbulb point :).

But we can hardly define intelligence, let alone “entirely understand” it. A child could give a good , practical definition of fire and manipulate it skillfully thousands of years ago. Not so much us grown adults wrt intelligence today.

Here is a child-like, practical definition of intelligence: "ability to solve problems".