[fieldcny]

Life is a marathon, not a sprint. Let’s see how many of those are around when we actually go through a full business cycle. No company started since 2003 has really been through a real downturn. 2007/2008 was limited in its blast radius and the fed just threw money everywhere…

[rockemsockem]

So 20 years for Tesla and 21 years for SpaceX is a sprint? What amount of time is a marathon? Facebook was founded in 2004, Google in 1998, are they still just sprinting?

[fieldcny]

how about when Tesla can survive off of the margins from ops without growth and without bilking its customer for vapor ware?

How about when they come out with a new body and chassis? When they go through a re-tooling cycle or two?

And again, let’s seem then make it through a full business cycle, because again, no company founded since 2001 knows that it’s like to run a company in a no growth or shrinking economy…

[rockemsockem]

What is your definition for a "full business cycle"? Specifically the length? If you are going to define it as "I know it when I see it" then there's no room for a conversation here.