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by tzs 1261 days ago
> I've found it surprisingly low effort to get good enough at guitar and, in fact, piano, that you can start to see social rewards, i.e. people actually want you to play, at least a little.

Also surprisingly low cost for a pretty good instrument. $250 dollars will get you a pretty good solid top steel string acoustic guitar (Yamaha FS800 or FG800, Fender CC60 or CD60, half a dozen models from Orangewood) or solid top classical guitar (Cordoba C3, Yamaha CG122).

Piano costs a bit more, but $500 or so should do it for a pretty good beginner instrument.

By pretty good I mean an instrument that sounds good and has a good feel so that you don't have to struggle to play it (beyond the struggling inherent in being a beginner even if you were playing on a professional concert level instrument) and it won't make you learn any bad habits you'll have to unlearn if you continue and move up to a better instrument.

> Meanwhile I put in more hours and had far more formal instruction at a woodwind than either of those combined and... yeah, nobody wanted to hear that shit, it sounds awful (cringe-inducing, even) unless you're excellent

Plus woodwinds and other orchestra instruments seem to be way more expensive. I'd guess that stops a lot of people who might have been interested in taking them up.

I checked at my local music store and student oboes for example start at around $3000. Clarinets around $1000. Tubas around $4000. Wow.

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Oboes are just expensive instruments. Tons of small moving parts, low worldwide volume. If you think that's bad, though, low end English Horns (1.5x longer oboe) start at $6000.
Also, many orchestras have only 2 oboe players. I don't think I've ever seen a pop/rock band with an oboe in it.

The lack of french horn players in pop/rock bands was part of why I quit playing. The neighbors complaining about my practicing didn't help. Yamaha's Silent Brass system worked pretty well while I still had one.

Ukulele is even quicker, kid sized and you can hang it on your wall for art when you’ve moved on.
They are even small enough that you can just get a whole bunch of them and tune them each to a different open chord and then just switch ukuleles as the chords change in your song as the Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain did in this hilarious version of "You Don't Bring Me Flowers Anymore" [1].

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-puL9FrZms

The San Jose Ukulele Club is a bunch of nice folks, if you're in the area.

https://sanjoseukeclub.org/song_book.html

This is my favourite ukulele ceiling

https://youtu.be/D5V4mtZ-0qg

Wow, thanks! Here are a couple more for anyone who stumbles onto this thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYhcN8p4yhg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gyxeXW_2T8

A few years back I got a decent second hand student oboe for £300 on eBay. Prices are probably higher now though.

You'd definitely want to check out the second hand market if getting started in woodwind.

Flutes are more affordable and easier to get a nice tone out of than clarinets or tubas.
You can get a good (wood) student recorder for ~$250. I guess recorders are technically flutes :-).