[johnchristopher]

Don't take it on me old man, I am just stating a fact you don't like. I am not even saying they are logical, right or advisable (see behavioral economy and all that).

> This reads like people complaining that a new iPhone is $1,200 and then saying "BUT I NEED A PHONE!". Yes, you need a phone. No, you do not need the $1,200 phone. Take the blinders off, there is a whole ass world out here.

And you read like an angry and sour person who wants to rub people's nose in it just to say "told you so" by deliberately missing the point I made. Maybe it makes you feel good but you are not helping anyone.

[yucky]

Except I'm right, which matters more. The best way to help people is to be honest with them. Validating their feelings might make you feel good, but it does them a disservice. I'd rather be right and sound like an asshole than tell them it's ok to keep heading towards their own demise.

[johnchristopher]

I don't understand your beef or where that chip on your shoulder comes from.

All I said was:

> Or maybe living close to friends and family matters more ? Moving 2000km away from family and friends is an uprooting move.

Which is basically a fact that explain why it's hard to move for some. I don't see how it can - or needs - to be argued. I am not even claiming it's a valid reason not to move.

> Except I'm right, which matters more. The best way to help people is to be honest with them. [..] I'd rather be right and sound like an asshole than [..].

Oh but you just don't sound like one. Pretty sure you've already been told that.

[yucky]

Because they're not moving away from San Francisco, they're moving to San Francisco. And they're moving away from those friends and family that you were referring to, to do so.

The solution is simple. Stop moving to the same 5 overpriced cities. Or, don't expect to be able to buy a house there if you do. These are facts, ignoring them causes problems.

[johnchristopher]

> Because they're not moving away from San Francisco, they're moving to San Francisco. And they're moving away from those friends and family that you were referring to, to do so.

No.

> Or maybe living close to friends and family matters more ? Moving 2000km away from family and friends is an uprooting move.

I was talking about why some people would find moving away from SF to more affordable places hard.

It wouldn't make sense to point that living close to friends and family matter more to some when moving to SF than moving to Dallas or Kansas City. What difference would it make to move 2000km away from family and friends to SF or to Kansas City ? Both case you miss friends and family.

[yucky]

You seem to have this preconceived notion in your mind that the Bay Area is the real world, and it's not. The vast majority of the country has affordable housing and available jobs, which means people don't need to move to the same 5 cities driving up the cost of living on those cities, they are choosing to do that because it sounds cool to say they moved there or they believe the lies that all the jobs are in the same handful of cities. And then they complain that they can't afford to live there.

You don't hear people from Dallas or KC or Cleveland or Pittsburgh or wherever complaining they can't afford to buy a house there, because I can go to Zillow and show you hundreds of houses in every one of those metro areas (and more) that are under $150k, and affordable to first time home buyers with an FHA mortgage putting less than $5k down and having a mortgage of around $1,300/month which makes it affordable to anybody making over $25/hour. In short, people are making excuses nd pointing to extremes in the Bay Area or NYC or wherever to validate their feelings.

Those are facts, and that is the math. Everything else is just feelings.

[johnchristopher]

> You seem to have this preconceived notion in your mind that the Bay Area is the real world, and it's not.

Your insistence on trying to paint me into the object of your obsession, that people think the Bay Area is the real world and they are entitled to things you believe they have no rights to, while being wrong and out of place, is preventing any progress on your side in understanding what I am trying to tell you:

> Moving 2000km away from family and friends is an uprooting move.

It's hard, it hurts. That plays a role in people's behavior. You may not like it but it is what it is [0].

All the while you keep trying to convince me of something I don't disagree with (prices of real estate and houses in the US market). Quite frankly it's tiresome and I'll let you have the final word (another copy-paste of a napkin plan to become a homeowner or a rant against the youth-of-today and their damn iPhones I suppose).

[0] That being said, I can understand how frustrating it must be for you since according to your posts you don't seem to hold feelings in high regard or even have some, which would explain it all.