[Alifatisk]

Cloudflare, to me, is seen as worlds largest mitm.

[cmeacham98]

"mitm" strongly implies Cloudflare is somehow unauthorized, like they're slipping in and hijacking the connection.

I know why Cloudflare detractors use this type of intentionally misleading language, but can we maybe say something like "worlds largest _proxy_" that is more accurate?

[judge2020]

Maybe not even the largest proxy by volume. Akamai and Google Cloud load balancers serve bigger customers with comparable, if not more overall bandwidth. Cloudflare only puts out stats for "percentage of websites"[0], which includes all of the random blogs that get less than 1k views a day.

0: https://community.cloudflare.com/t/statistically-speaking-wh...

[cmeacham98]

Fair enough, I was more focused on their misleading language and took the claim at face value.

[sp332]

Yeah? People use MITM because it has large benefits.

[dijit]

This line of reasoning is poor.

Taken to horrible extremes: Slavery has large benefits.

Even if not taken to extremes, we're talking about the same argument that erodes privacy; "We need to take away your freedom so that the terrorists can't groom your children and bomb your daycare centers!".

I can't even begin to steelman an argument like this, it's just poorly reasoned out.

[sp332]

Alifatisk didn't make any arguments. I didn't make an argument. Not everything is an argument.

[dijit]

argument is anything thats a disagreement.

You literally made an argument against something the parent said.

Discussion can also include “making arguments” even if the discussion itself is not otherwise classified as an argument.

[charcircuit]

Larger than AWS?