[adamsmith143]

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The models encode many biases and stereotypes.

    Well, sure they do. They model observed human's language, and we humans are terrible beings, we are biased and are constantly stereotyping. This means we need to be careful when applying these models to real-world tasks, but it doesn't make them less valid, useful or interesting from a scientiic perspective."

Not sure how this can be seen as dismissive.

>Yoav can dismiss this because it just doesn't affect him much.

Maybe just maybe someone named Yoav Goldberg might maybe be in a group where bias affects him quite strongly.

[jjeaff]

Or maybe he is blind to or unaffected by such biases either due to luck or wealth or other outliers. Especially as a Jewish person in Israel. There are always plenty of people in minority groups that feel (either correctly or incorrectly) that bias doesn't affect them. Take Clarence Thomas for example, or Candace Owens. Simply being a member of a minority group does not make your opinion correct. Thomas even said in recent oral arguments that there wasn't much diversity in his university when he attended and so he doesn't really see how a diverse student body is beneficial to one's education.

[azinman2]

Or maybe he recognizes that it’s literally impossible to train a system to output a result that isn’t biased. Creating a model will result in bias, even if that model is a calculator. You put your perspective in its creation, its utility, its fundamental language(s) (including design language), its method of interaction, its existence and place in the world. If you train a model on the web, it’ll be billions of biases included, including the choice to train on the web. If you train on a “sanctioned list,” what you include or don’t include will also be bias. Even training on just Nature papers would give you a gigantic amount of bias.

This is what I really don’t like about the AI ethics critics (of the woke variety): it’s super easy to be dismissive, but it’s crazy hard to do anything that moves the world. If you move the world, some people will naturally be happy and others angry. Even creating a super “balanced” dataset will piss off those who want an imbalanced world!

No opinion is “correct” - they’re just opinions, including mine right now!

[adamsmith143]

>Simply being a member of a minority group does not make your opinion correct.

Nor does being a member of the majority make yours incorrect.

[JW_00000]

In fact, the author even says this argument is "true but uninspiring / irrelevant". He's just deciding not to focus on that aspect in this article.