Hacker News new | ask | show | jobs
by bronco21016 1265 days ago
I’m a unionized employee who is currently waiting on finalized legal language for a new contract.

A lot of my time will be spent reviewing a diff between the current agreement and the proposed agreement but it’s a 500 page document. I might give this product a try just to see what it spits out. I could see this being incredibly useful if it could write a plain language, non-biased, summary of changes.
2 comments
muttantt 1265 days ago
A 4 page document prompted me for a $50 payment.

Good luck running 500 pages through this thing...

link
kkielhofner 1265 days ago
The pricing is absolutely disconnected-from-reality wild.

At worst a junior associate at $BIGFIRM would review a document of that length with an understanding of issues specific to your situation, governing law/locality, etc for somewhere around $100 AND this would include a redlined response with suggested edits, annotations, any questions, etc.

A local, friendlier more SMB or startup catering attorney/smaller firm would likely look at a bunch of these for free or close to it.

In short the pricing needs to be at least 1/10 what it is currently so it can (at best) serve as a novelty, a basic filter to a series of potential agreements, etc.

link
freejazz 1265 days ago
How much do you think they charge for associate time at a biglaw firm? It's well above $400/hr.
link
kkielhofner 1265 days ago
I've worked with (and paid invoices from) several top-tier international > 500 attorney firms and if that's what you're effectively paying for junior associate time you need to look elsewhere.

For rate sheet time that's still too much and negotiating down legal invoices is just about the best use of time from a cost-benefit standpoint.

link
freejazz 1265 days ago
They are probably not the top tier biglaw firm if they are charging less than $400/hr for associate time. S&C charges over $800/hr for associate time.
link
kkielhofner 1264 days ago
On one engagement, for example, the firm and project I was working with/on was doing high stakes IP work for a FAANG. Every attorney I've worked with graduated from a top 15 law school (majority being top 10). If that's not top-tier then I'll concede I don't know what is.

We started talking about the quality and pricing of a ChatGPT bot and ended up here... Point is, given the pricing of Detangle ($10/page) you could hire an attorney down the street with any amount of experience in contract law to review an agreement with better results at equivalent (or cheaper) pricing. At the current state of ChatGPT a paralegal or some random cousin in law school would be better.

link
mc32 1265 days ago
I would see if it could interpret Oxford commas appropriately such as in: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/09/us/oxford-comma-maine.htm...
link