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by jaggs 1266 days ago
How interesting that a bunch of tech nutcases now want to geoengineer the planet by dispersing sulphur into the stratosphere to dim the sun to 'tackle' climate change. Mind-blowing stupidity.
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Maybe so, but please don't fulminate or call names on HN. You may not owe tech nutcases better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I apologise. In my defence, it's only geo-engineering which gets me so riled up. But of course you're right, and I should, and will, tone it down completely.

(I'm not sure I have been guilty of 'fulmination' though :) )

Happy New year.

The climate change we have right now has been caused by geoengineering too -- accidental geoengineering.

Intentional, careful geoengineering is the only real chance we have of holding back climate change. Human societies simply will not be willing to make the sacrifices necessary to roll back climate change solely by reducing emissions.

A combination of politically acceptable emission cuts, geoengineering, and acceptance of/adaptation to higher temperatures and their consequences is the only possible outcome in the real world. So hold back on the knee-jerk reactions to geoengineering and take it seriously.

Because gradually injecting sulfur is the same as massive uncontrolled natural injections, right?
Nobody knows. Which is why it's colossally reckless to propose anything around this as a guaranteed solution, instead of a proposal that needs more research.
This is irrational pearl clutching. If sulfur is added, it will be done gradually, with the results monitored. There would not be some sort of catastrophic cooling.

The real sticking point would be that some countries would not want the cooling. Russia, say.

Our proposed planet-scale terraforming will be done gradually, don't be irrational!

We'll just see how it goes...

Are you serious?

So let me get this straight: in the face of a failure to control global warming by other means, you'd prefer your anxiety about possible risks to prevent any attempt to counter the warming by this approach, dooming the world to potentially catastrophic temperature increases?

Are YOU serious?

Assuming your doomsday predictions are correct and all this time... then assuming your counter to the prediction is correct.

Ya'know what... go right ahead and try to terraform the Earth to whatever you think is... best.

Your doomsday prediction may then come true actually. Self fulfilling prophecy and all that.

God speed in making your artificial ice age.

Without taking a side on sulphur injection, it should be noted that we are already doing very rapid planet-scale terraforming.
Not really? We have no idea the relativity of our change vs what's supposed to happen when coming out of an ice age because of our short window we are observing.

We may change the climate in our entire history as much as a super volcano does, or many times less.

Who knows? Nobody, especially on a global scale, which is what they're suggesting.
We have natural experiments where sulfur aerosols were injected. The 1991 eruption of Mt. Pinatubo, for example. It injected 17 megatonnes of sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere, causing a global cooling of 0.4 C and a northern hemisphere cooling of 0.5-0.6 C. This also affected ozone, which suggests aerosols other than sulfuric acid droplets might be a better idea.
Would we diffuse it in the same way at the same speed? If not, would the results be any different?