[dragonwriter]

> the US under Trump has formally recognised Golan Heights as US territory in 2017! [1].

No, it didn’t.

And, in any case, the Biden Administration, while simultaneously claiming it was not changing the policy under which Trump recognized Israeli control of Golan, has restated it as being that the US sees Israeli control as in Israel’s legitimate security interests given Syrian aggression and the aggressive bent of the current Syrian regime, but that a change in that situation would potentially result in a reassessment.

[aliyfarah]

That was a typo, I meant as Israeli territory.

That’s nonsense, international law is international law, there are no carve outs and loopholes for what US deems “legitimate security interests”. Russia used this exact same pretext to launch its war in Ukraine.

And the annexation far precedes the current regime by decades.

[dragonwriter]

> That’s nonsense, international law is international law

War is war. Occupation of enemy territory is routine and not prohibited by international law in war (the war itself is prohibited, to the extent that it is aggressive, but that's a problem for Syria in regard to the Syria-Israel war, not Israel.) Syria and Israel have been at war (launched by Syria and other Arab states, some of which have since made peace with Israel) since 1948.

> Russia used this exact same pretext to launch its war in Ukraine.

Ukraine and Russia were not at war before Russia, as you note, launched the war. So it is not the same.

Ignoring the existence of a continuous state of war, initiated by the supposedly-aggrieved party, produces ludicrous analysis.

[aliyfarah]

Why are you being dishonest? You know damn well Israel has no intention of ever relinquishing Golan Heights back to Syria, under any circumstance, whether peace is achieved with Syria or not, and their government has said as much whenever the topic comes up. [1]

> Ukraine and Russia were not at war before Russia, as you note, launched the war.

Says who? I think the Ukrainians would disagree with this assessment. They’ve been at war with Russia since they seized Crimea and sent their proxies to occupy parts of their country.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/26/world/middleeast/golan-he...

[weatherlite]

> Why are you being dishonest? You know damn well Israel has no intention of ever relinquishing Golan Heights back to Syria, under any circumstance, whether peace is achieved with Syria or not, and their government has said as much whenever the topic comes up.

Peace with Syria is such a bullshit concept (no chance in hell it happens) it really means nothing what an Israeli government says about it. As if the Assad regime is a partner for peace. Israel did give Sinai back to Egypt for peace so it's definitely possible in theory.

[dragonwriter]

> Why are you being dishonest?

I’m not, you are reading points you want to argue with into my posts.

> You know damn well Israel has no intention of ever relinquishing Golan Heights back to Syria,

I’ve said nothing about Israeli intentions, which have not been the subjecr of discussion. I’ve discussed only the US position, and particularly the conditions expressly attached to it by the Biden Administration.

> They’ve been at war with Russia since they seized Crimea

I mistakenly assumed you meant 2014 when you referred to Russia launching their war and occupied Ukrainian, since that was, in fact (and as you seem now to recognize), when Russia launched the current war of aggression against Ukraine and began occupying Ukrainian territory.

In any case, the problem with Russia’s occupation of territory in Ukraine remains that it is part of a war of aggression they are waging and not that, given the existence of war, it is illegal to occupy the opposing belligerent’s territory.