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by everythingabili 1261 days ago
EXACTLY!

Back in the days when "small pieces loosely joined" was a thing, I thought Delicious was very, very cool. (I use Diigo (free) now which is the closest I could find to Delicious when it went bad). I needed something that isn't account dependent and works on web and mobile, so matter where I am browsing content I can save a reference to it. Hypothesis looks interesting but imo is more geared to textual annotation than tagging.

Bookmarks are so bad, that they don't even keep your most recent bookmark in a folder at the top.

But what we lost when we lost Delicious was so much potential. For example...

* people were exploring using tag clouds semanticly, to sort of translate how two different people categorised things (you say "cool", they say "hot" etc)

* I think NASA did collaborative tagging where you merely tag interesting things to keep an eye on with nextYear, fiveYears or TenYears then produced a Horizon Report of the overlaps.

* People were making news readers that found interesting items based on your tag cloud and items adjacent to those tagged in your cloud.

* A tag cloud was a quick "Contents page" for any blog out there... You could glance at one and see if this content was for you.

* They were emergent, as in, they evolved over time - so much better than most peoples' idea of categories, or how categories are used in the real world.

I think that despite all the potential in bookmarking/tagging people weren't ready to pay for it - and if you're the kind of person who squirrels lots of things away for later, in a sensible manner, you're going to find a way to do it somehow.

But bookmarks/tags etc could be so much more.

2 comments

> collaborative tagging > found interesting items based on your tag cloud and items adjacent to those tagged in your cloud

Pinboard used to allow browsing public bookmarks without account. If you have one (not me) maybe you still can go to any tag [0] or user and explore tag clouds / adjacency.

Are.na [1] allows a similar kind of networked exploration of links (more general collections than tags though). It is really a (self-described) rabbit hole (but without tag clouds)

Zotero [2] does have a tag cloud (local and web). IMO their online groups are underrated for bookmarks/references collaboration/publication . . I love its UI ! It works on mobile too (browser or custom apps)

So alternatives do exist, but the scale and innovation are not there. I hope someday we will go back to an enhanced form of popular tagging, maybe using Semantics (to associate), AI (to generate) and open decentralized protocols (to standardize)

[0] Exple: https://pinboard.in/t:bookmarking

[1] Exple Collection : https://www.are.na/emily-degrandpre/collaborative-knowledge-...

[2] Random public group : https://www.zotero.org/groups/25016/digital_humanities_educa...

Diigo[0] looks pretty cool.

Love the idea of tag clouds, like I need to capture, "portfolio management systems" and really that's related to stuff like "backtesting tools" and "performance attribution systems", so if there was a knowledge graph connecting all of these terms, that allowed me to explore, in a bit more structured way, than a simple search, would be nice.

[0] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/diigo-web-collecto...