[survirtual]

Anything is possible, but having some limited github interactions with the core team, that seems unlikely. My impression is that they are a passionate group that hit the jackpot a bit prematurely.

Their intentions seemed good to me they just have an ungodly amount of financing while perhaps lacking a core vision & understanding of what is at stake.

Put another way, seems more like an academic building something rather than a seasoned industry pro.

In any case, I don’t want to disparage their project. I learned a lot from their code & concepts. We are all on our own roads towards brilliance, contributing to each other in all kinds of ways.

[oldgregg]

I certainly wouldn't disparage the talent- no doubt vast majority have good intentions but unfortunately they are being paid handsomely to have their work be rendered ineffective. Gobble up all the best P2P devs and get them focused on work that is largely ineffective. Lots of code and specs but nothing really usable. Code is not very original, they just take other libraries and tweak them. mplex is their version of yamux, autonat is their version of stun/ice... but then none of their libraries really work together seemlessly. Embrace extend extinguish? If you look at their massive code output then google "what apps use libp2p" you won't find anything because nobody uses it. Berty is really only app worth a mention.

[survirtual]

I’m not saying conspiracy doesn’t exist — it most certainly does — but it just seems unlikely in most cases.

In this case, to be blunt, give a bunch of nerds millions / billions of dollars and see how fast their objectives change. Going from being students to having material wealth unimaginable to most suddenly gets you invited to a lot of conferences / parties / inner circles. You’re doing a lot less engineering and a lot more socializing & experiencing, and suddenly those lofty ideals & nerdy curiosities may just not matter as much any more driving around in a lambo with what you’d consider super models. But making even MORE money to do cool things just might.

Very few people exist on this planet that can resist that, and it is the explanation for most people / projects / orgs that make it big losing their way. Once you have a lot of money, suddenly life without it seems impossible, and you start to compromise values to secure more of it. It is a steep downhill journey.

Most projects are unoriginal. Just a derivation slightly improved on, or a recombination of prior works in a compelling new way. Nothing wrong with that; our universe is composed of relatively few atoms combined in all kinds of special ways.

[dfghjkjhgfdx]

you two are discussing semantics :)

you both are correct on all assumptions. and are now discussing how corruption with money within the existing system is both undetectable/deniable and effective.

ipfs is now, for all purposes, a honeypot against dweb. or at least a way for opposition (dweb proponents) to waste valuable time. as your experiences proved.

[2color]

I think that this is a misunderstanding but I understand where this is coming from.

Let me share my 2 cents as the Developer Advocate for IPFS (employed by PL).

You claim that our work is largely ineffective but what are you referring to? The IPFS ecosystem is like a cluster of several ecosystems, e.g. Libp2p, IPLD, IPFS, Multiformats.

> Lots of code and specs but nothing really usable

Some of the libraries may not be as actively maintained as others — this is the nature of open source. But to claim nothing is usable is not accurate — there's a lot of stuff that works pretty reliably.

> Code is not very original

Who cares....

> autonat is their version of stun/ice.

It's actually Autonat, DCUtR, and Circuit Relay V2 which are pretty amazing given that it's like STUN/ICE but decentralized! Anyone in the network might help you hole punch through NAT and from network measurements the success rates average around 70% (https://youtu.be/bzL7Y1wYth8?t=1091). Saying it's just "their version of STUN/ICE) takes away from the main qualitative difference of doing it without centralized coordination servers.

> "what apps use libp2p" you won't find anything because nobody uses it.

Ethereum uses libp2p GossipSub since the beacon chain launched. Berty, Satellite (https://satellite.im/), Status (https://discuss.status.im/t/waku-version-2-pitch/1776#org900...).

Either way, I appreciate your comment, we need to be doing a better job of surfacing some of the great progress being made in the IPFS/Libp2p ecosystem.