[bobkazamakis]

>Caring about your work isn’t the same as it being your “entire life or cause for existence”.

Nor is all work "things you care about" even if you love your job, unless you own the entity. Even if you had a passion for picking up garbage, you'd rather be doing it your way than the way your boss is doing it.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to spend non-working hours on something that isn't exploiting you...

[lazide]

The issue is seeing employment as exploitation instead of a trade, and giving up (or denying?) one’s own agency in it.

An Exchange of someone’s time and focus for predictability, direction, and money.

Most people who do janitorial work would hate having to run a janitorial business. It’s a lot of work organizing everything, doing sales, dealing with legal issues, etc. etc.

If someone wants to do a days work and get a days pay, that’s all stuff that gets in the way.

It’s also a lot of stuff that is waaaay outside the skill set required to do the work they are able and willing to do.

[bobkazamakis]

>seeing employment as exploitation instead of a trade

that's objective reality, sport. That's what profit is - the surplus of value from materials and labor...

It's a trade in that if you don't agree to it, you're completely free to starve on the streets.

[lazide]

Funny that, but I’ve worked at many places that definitely didn’t make a profit! And some that definitely did. Taking risk, organizing and figuring out things in a way that is focused and works, and tying the parts together so the sum is greater than the parts is what makes most businesses profitable.

Are some companies run or managed by exploitive assholes? Sure. Are some folks doing labor exploitive assholes? You bet.

But it’s always more fun to tear down those who have what we don’t and blame them for every problem and isn’t it?

The paychecks came regardless, or they learned that labor has its own power too.

Never felt exploited about it either, and moved somewhere else or just took a break and did what I wanted if I started to feel like it might be. We don’t really need all the trappings we often convince ourselves we need, and it’s a lot lighter without them.

And never once starved for it.

But then, I’ve had to dig trenches before and change diapers and didn’t get paid for that, but then family is pretty communist that way. We all have to make our way, one way or another.

You’re welcome to look at life as harsh and nasty as you want, but you reap what you sow. And that outlook is sowing very bitter seeds indeed.

[bobkazamakis]

This is a long-form mix of projection and complete denial of reality. We all have to make our own way, I'm glad you found yours.

[lazide]

Reading between the lines, it seems like you seem to think that entropy, and therefore the need to do things to continue to survive, is a form of wrong the world has done to you.

that society has a mechanism that allows for one to exchange something others have for something they want, without having to do all the things everywhere on their own, means that society is turning them into a slave somehow.

Which hey, maybe? But stepping back and looking at historical context, it’s pretty laughable.

And in the vein of ‘beliefs that help’ vs ‘beliefs that don’t’ - how does that help you or anyone else right now?