[tejohnso]

> Their passports are confiscated by their sponsors

How does this work? As an adult, if someone tries to take my passport I would refuse. If they snatched it out of my hands, I would take it back. If they somehow got the better of me and hid it or locked it up, I'd go to the police.

I could see maybe an abusive situation where going to the police isn't an option because the victim is locked in the house. In that case I'd expect that when the perpetrators are caught they'd be charged with kidnapping for that. And then some other charge (theft?) for locking up the passport.

[Frost1x]

Perhaps they have a family back home literally starving and it's a sacrifice at the time they think they're willing to take to feed their family and send money home. They're desperate and willing to let a lot of things happen you and I might not be.

They're also in another country that's highly male power oriented, probably talking to a male head of a household, potentially to someone wealthy and even powerful. Meanwhile you may be significantly smaller, may be female (this isn't meant as an insult... just that you may have less muscular mass/strength), and are in a country where someone may claim you stole your passport from their possession and they may literally cut your hands off, where the authorities may even agree with this should you go to them. Or, at the very least, they may no longer sponsor you and you may go home to your starving family with few other options. Some may argue that means the option you had was better, I think it's an argument to promote modern slavery and exploitation.

My situation and I suspect yours are not remotely the same to these folks. If someone snatched my passport, I'm a fairly good sized and a reasonably strong male to muscle myself in (I also have a concealed carry permit, so I have a weapon should I need it). I have several more explicit rights and resources at my disposal, I have a government that issued my passport that will look at it say it's clearly my passport. My stance in such a situation is significantly different, assuming it happened here in the US.

Meanwhile you have examples like Britney Griner who had similar advantages to me, arguably even more given her fame, and even she was detained and at the mercy of the Russian government where we literally had folks like Tony Blinken bartering a hostage exchange for her return. I'm not sure that would be the case if I was detained in Russia on similar charges (then again I probably wouldn't have been targeted as readily, either). The power dynamics in these situations aren't so dry cut but I assure you, these maids have very little power and rights. I recently had a layover in Qatar and even I was a bit weary of that--I tend to like to have layovers in more progressive countries where I'm less likely to deal with some abusive government.

[tejohnso]

Good point about the desperation. I guess that would make you do things you'd rather not. And then a society that enables the abuse.

Griner though? She broke the law and got arrested. And she's not a desperate person. I don't see the similarity.

[koonsolo]

I think you watched too many movies. In real life this even happens to people from the west working there. They need your passport to take a copy, and then it's gone. You're going to fight them then and there? Good luck with that, security and the cops won't be nice to you.

I once worked at a company where some had to go to Dubai to install one of our systems. Some of my more knowledgeable colleagues refused to go, and after hearing their stories, I would also never go.

[tejohnso]

It sounds like you're describing a movie plot set up to me. Any time I've given my passport to an official I received it back immediately. And you're saying the police are in on the scam? That's fiction as far as I'm concerned.

I guess that's my answer though. Things are just drastically different in some places and the authorities are on side to support the perpetrators rather than the victims.

[ithkuil]

18y ago I had to attend a meeting in an Italian city. The building had security and they asked us to give them our passports and that we'll get them back on our way out.

I was a bit confused, but as a junior developer I wasn't going to make a scene for that,.when apparently nobody from the group was blinking at the request (perhaps everybody was thinking the same?).

Luckily a senior manager from $bigcorp barged in and when asked to hand his password just confidently yelled "there is no fucking way I'm going to give you my passport" and walked through. We followed.

[koonsolo]

Haha, you're funny. You have absolutely no idea. You think you're in the US or EU?

I'll leave this as a small taste of what can happen: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31692914.

Who says you're the victim? In their eyes you're the perpetrator.

[newmac]

This is a society set up for this sort of thing. You are physically isolated both at the home level and the community level. There is nobody you can run to. It is a physical taking of your passport. Your desire to get it back or any words you might have in you don't change the fact that your passport is gone and you are isolated.

There is a "breaking" period for most of these workers where they are demoralized as well.

[ectopod]

I used to live in a country with shitty police. An American I knew there reported several crimes. The officer would ask for his ID and when he opened his wallet the officer would extract his cash and send him on his way. Weirdly, he always believed it would be better next time, but this was actually the good level of service. The locals never went to the police because they knew to expect worse. The police in many countries serve only the powerful and themselves.

[jacquesm]

10's of thousands of cases (trafficking cases, not legal cases) and a handful of convictions of 'sponsors' show that the likelihood of coming out on top in such cases is very small.

[wodenokoto]

It was only because of all the controversy over migrant workers rights during the prelude to FIFA World Cup in Qatar that holding your employees passports became illegal.

Before that, employers had the right to do so and it was (might still be) the norm.

Refusing to hand over your passport is like refusing to hand over your passport at immigration.

[astura]

Its totally and completely normal in Qatar to confiscate passports of migrant workers - I'm not even sure it's actually even illegal.

So if a migrant worker called the police and said "my passport has been stolen" they'd be laughed at (and possibly punished for wasting their time).

[lawgimenez]

I think snatch is not the right term, but an agreement between employer and employee that former gets to keep the passport in the duration of the employment. This is illegal but the host country I think just doesn't impose this law or the employee is scared to report to authorities since they are oblivious or ignorant of the said law. Mainly they just want to get a job, get paid regardless.

[zodiac]

“Give us your passport or we’ll fire you / won’t give you this job”

[chii]

i would imagine that if taking of passports is common knowledge by now, they'd just have a fake passport to give away and hide the real one. Then they can leave when they got their money from their job, or sees a better opportunity and have the ability to move.