[landemva]

Right, there was no friction for 9/11 persons who boarded the planes. They simply walked on.

More surveillance and recording of location of lawful persons does not help security. This is a slowly tightening prison blanket.

> security of DMV's systems

It's a _license_ to operate motor vehicle. Can be on paper without picture to fulfill that purpose.

[chunk_waffle]

Boarding a plane before 9/11 was much easier, and I'm not necessarily convinced that TSA, DHS, or REAL ID have a security impact on flying relative to their cost and burden on citizens. I think there is a lot of incompetence and unnecessary expenses there. So we're in agreement on that.

I think the security screening (I might even call it mild molestation) required to board a flight should trump any need for any identity document. I don't think REAL ID's goals should be co-mingled with flying.

I'd also agree that a driver's license shouldn't be an identity document either. But unfortunately at some point in history it was decided that a DL should be an identity document too so unfortunately it's wrapped up with everything else.

There are not just REAL ID licenses either, there are REAL ID IDs too, just for identity.