[spritefs]

> 1 "systems engineer" (not sure what this means, but doesn't seem like it involves programming since they taught themselves Python after getting laid off)

I met someone who was a "systems engineer" at a job orientation about a year ago. I thought that they did lower level programming or something, apparently they didn't know how to program at all

[jackmott42]

Someone who knows how to wrangle linux and cloud systems expertly may only know "scripting" and sometimes will claim not to know programming so as to defer to programmers but if they ever had to they would probably pick it up real real fast. Scripting is programming in my opinion.

[citizenpaul]

If you've always been a SWE then you may not know this. If you work in the tech world in a non SWE position and the company finds out you can do some programming. You will quickly find yourself being manipulated and pressured into do SWE work except without the pay. Oh yeah and still having to do the job you were actually hired for at the same time. AKA job hell.

Companies love having more dev's they just dont like paying them. In the tech underclass (admins,systems, ect)you keep your mouth shut if you know how to do more than your job unless you want more unpaid jobs. "Sorry that stuff goes way over my head... aww shucks wish I was smarter"

[spritefs]

This just sounds like bad management. If people don't feel comfortable communicating their own skills then everyone is worse off