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by shasheene 1274 days ago
SpaceX and T-Mobile are starting a trial in late-2023 to use unmodified handsets for text (and later, voice and data) with the Starlink V2 network to remove cell coverage dead-zones. [1] [2]

It's achieved by "dedicating a slice of T-Mobile's Mid-Band PCS [1.9 GHz] spectrum, to be integrated into Starlink satellites, launched next year", with each Starlink V2 satellite hosting two 5-6 meter long cell-spectrum antennas, in addition to the existing Ka- and Ku-band antennas.

They're aiming for the US with the trial, and growing to global coverage by entering into reciprocal roaming agreements with the international carriers who hold licences to the relevant mid-band spectrum.

Elon Musk says "this won't have the kind of bandwidth that a Starlink terminal would have, but it will enable texting. It will enable images. And if there aren't too many people in the in the cell-zone, you could even potentially have a little bit of video."

Musk claims 2 to 4 megabits per cell-zone, 1000-2000 simultaneous voice calls per cell-zone, with the cell-zone of course being much larger than a terrestrial cell-tower.

[1] https://www.t-mobile.com/news/un-carrier/t-mobile-takes-cove...

[2] https://youtu.be/F8zS2rU-URo?t=325

4 comments

Odd that it's not mentioned in the article as this is probably the most ambitious proposal in this area.
It is mentioned in the article.

> Splashy announcements of satellite-cellular connectivity from Apple, Starlink, and T-Mobile in the third quarter of 2022 promoted the idea of anywhere, any-kind connectivity.

But the one from Apple is a joke compared to general sms and mms coverage. Or is apple’s system capable of much more and the first beta is just “SOS”?
Apple's stuff is probably orders of magnitude more reliable, the system they use has been battle-tested for decades.

Both Starlink's sat-cells and Apple's Globalstar link will be a real benefit for people who get stuck in a bad situation unprepared, but if I were a serious rock climber or similar, I'd still prefer a full-scale Globalstar, Iridium terminal or EPIRB device, then an iPhone with Globalstar, and only then Starlink's offer.

Globalstar with an iPhone is not battletested at all. A huge chunk of the complexity of a sat system is in the ground side and the iPhone form factor is new.
> full-scale Globalstar, Iridium terminal or EPIRB device

Remind me in 10 years

TMobile/SpaceX proposed service does sound better than the one Apple currently provides. Apple's works right now though and T/S's doesn't which is a notable difference. I also haven't read anything about the T/S service that says they will exclude iPhones. As an iPhone user, I would love to have access to both services! It's unlikely I would switch to a different phone manufacturer to get access to this service if it isn't available to iphones, but i might switch to TMobile from my current mvno to get it on iphone.
I think they’ll def come up with a paid plan for extra features. Same way T-Mobile only basic features are going to be free. Same way Starlink residential is orders of magnitude cheaper than marine edition.
It’s actually significantly less capable than the network being attempted by ASTS.
Does anyone know what codec they're using at 2kbps per voice call?
Probably not this but LyraV2 at 3.2kbps sounds super clean

https://opensource.googleblog.com/2022/09/lyra-v2-a-better-f...

I'd say it sounds decent but certainly not "super clean".
AMR_SID claims to be 1.8kbps[1], but I can't imagine it sounds very good.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptive_Multi-Rate_audio_code...

And the streaming video will be of an empty chessboard in a room with unchanging lighting.
Or AI video generator text prompts.
You joke but nvidia is looking at AI compression: https://www.fiercevideo.com/tech/nvidia-swaps-codecs-for-ai-... Which would model the person and "generate" video.
Hopefully it sounds better than AMBE2+, codec2 and whatever 1st gen Iridium was using at 2400baud.
I think it's very hard to get better quality out of that little data :(
Most sat phones use a kind of AMBE from DVSI
My previous comment was flagged so let me add some more context around "Musk claims".

Remember Musks claims of FSD being X months away (for years), and SpaceX will be cheaper by orders of magnitude, and Twitter will be open to all free speech, and the cyber truck, and new roadster, etc etc? The point is, Musk has shown himself as unreliable and we can hardly trust his claims.

Does that imply that our handsets can already be tracked from space, e.g. from the NRO?
Does anyone think that isnt already possible? Have you seen the size of recent NRO satellites?
I have not, do you have a link?

I'm passingly familiar with the old Keyhole/Hubble optical satellites, but I didn't think we launched any of those recently after the Shuttle shut down. The more interesting tech is probably sigint-targeted radio analysis, where antenna and LNA design is more important than physical aperture, I wouldn't be able to tell anything about those with a physical dimension. What would the new satellites launch on?

Looking up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NRO_launches doesn't give much detail, other than that they launched on Falcon 9 and Delta IV rockets.

NRO Orion sats are probably the largest antennas ever in space (100m).

"These satellites at geostationary orbits collect radio emissions (SIGINT) and act as replacements for the older constellation of Magnum satellites. The satellites have estimated mass close to 5,200 kg and very large (estimated 100 m diameter) radio reflecting dishes."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_(satellite)