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by dragonwriter 1268 days ago
> Large groups of people classify people by their gender at birth, and 1) would disagree that this distinction is social in nature

The disagreement is not over the factual physical observation. “Was born with (or without) a penis” is not a social distinction, but is also not the source of the disagreement.

The social weight given to it, OTOH, is. “Gets addressed in a particular way, is allowed in certain shared spaces and banned from others, etc.,” are, factually and indisputably, social distinctions, and are the focus of the disagreement.

> 2) Would also disagree that it has historically been socially constructed differently in different culture

This is just factually wrong; systems with more than two gender roles, and/or where one or more of the most closely corresponding to the supposedly universal binary defended by the side that claims one exists can be ascribed on bases other than the physical traits that faction demands should control ascription of gender have, in fact, existed (before now.)

> You won't find any example where such a norm became dominant, and you won't find any society which lasted more than 50 years after such ideas became even speakable in public.

This is, simply false; there are, for instance, very many examples in the indigenous cultures of the Americas.