[matthewdgreen]

Somehow we got used to companies selling products named "Definitely Does Thing [X]!" and then adding fine print that says "this product absolutely does not do thing [X]." I think it would be much better if we stopped accepting that practice.

[fiddlerwoaroof]

The stuff above this says exactly what the FSD package is. All this fine print is adding is that you will get new features as they are released. In 12/2022 this is a very good description of what the package does (and, IMO, it undersells the capability: autosteer on city streets works really well for me with the new FSD package)

> Full Self-Driving Capability $15,000

> All functionality of Basic Autopilot and Enhanced Autopilot

> Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control

> Coming Soon

> Autosteer on city streets

[matthewdgreen]

Again, to repeat my point (which I didn't think was very confusing), the things described in the small-point text are all fine. But they cannot in any reasonable world be summarized by the product name "Full Self Driving." Insofar as California is encouraging Tesla to name their products more accurately, that seems like an absolute good.

This point holds even if I don't go into the fact that both autosteer/autopilot (phantom braking problems) and FSD-beta (requires active driver control, disengagements every < 1 mile) are both kind of a mess. Or that the claims from Musk regarding capabilities and timing have been completely inaccurate.

[fiddlerwoaroof]

> they cannot in any reasonable world be summarized by the product name "Full Self Driving."

I think it’s fine to name a placeholder for a feature that’s in development according to the final state. Especially if the feature gives you access to the most recent developments towards that feature.

As for the other stuff, the FUD online about FSD is completely inconsistent with my daily experience of using it. It’s by no means perfect, but it does a good job for my normal driving around SoCal