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Ask HN: My next project is guaranteed to be “attacked”. How should I prepare?
7 points by zneiposh 1278 days ago
In 2023, I'm going to be releasing a novel that I've spent about seven years on. I haven't decided on a date, and I might "stealth launch" it for security reasons, but it'll probably be summer or fall when it comes together.

Over the past decade, I have angered an inordinate number of petty people in a particular industry. Some of this was my fault, much of it wasn't. It doesn't really matter at this point. I can never work in that industry again, which is fine by me. I would like to forget them, but they won't forget me. I know for a fact that some of them will try to "attack" my book launch, even though they gain nothing in doing so. A friend of mine got access to some privileged communications (no details, obviously) and there is discussion of the matter, though it's not sufficient to predict what tactics they'll use.

I don't know exactly what they plan to do. Raising a cancel mob is one possibility. Spamming Goodreads with negative reviews is another one. (I don't want to get in the way of people posting critical or negative reviews in good faith. If they've actually read the book, everyone has the right to post an honest review. But 40 negative reviews from one brigade is something I'd like to stop.) Or, they may try to invalidate positive reviews somehow. They're almost certain to publicize embarrassing stuff I did twenty years ago that still follows me. I don't think these people have any pull at Amazon that would suffice to get the book algorithmically penalized, but I can't be sure.

I recognize that all of this sounds extremely paranoid to someone who has never interacted with these people. Why would they "attack" a self-published book where the author's lucky to sell a couple thousand copies in the first year? (This is a long play. Word of mouth is a slow exponential. As long as the numbers grow, mediocre sales in Year 1 are OK, even expected.) Again, these people are bizarre and petty and very, very bored and you'll just have to trust that I know these people better than you do. (If I named them, some of you would probably agree with me.) They have done more degenerate things than anything I am describing here.

Obviously, some of this is out of my control. I'd even give it a 50% chance that this "attack" is so incompetent or threadbare, it barely merits notice. (The book might flop on its own. Many do.) Still, I want to be prepared for this in case it does. I want to be prepared for cancel mobs, because they tried to raise one against my real name in 2015. I want to be prepared for negative review brigades, because I've been hit by downvote brigades 40-thick (you can never prove it, but when a comment goes from +18 to -22 in five minutes, you know) on Reddit. What should I do in the next 6-12 months to defend myself, in the event that the worst occurs? I'd like to get people in the press, preemptively, on my side; at the same time, I recognize that to everyone outside of a particular industry, what I'm describing sounds laughably improbable. I don't think I can just call people at the New York Times and say, "Hey, I'm releasing a novel you've never heard of that will probably be attacked by people you've covered, and yadda yadda yadda." The world maybe should be that open, but it's not.

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You ignore it and enjoy the free publicity. People who read the book, assuming it sheds light on these people, will figure it out.

The biggest issue I can see is review bombing, so you can try warning various platforms that it might be targeted, though most of them already have systems in place to try to prevent it or will ignore your pleas.

IMO, the only thing you can really do there is market your book in other ways, and maybe ask some bloggers to pick up the story if you do get publicly attacked. A lot of people will search a controversial subject and read blog posts about it to see what the issue is. If some of those articles can convince them that the book or author are important and are being cancelled for any reason other than merit they'll be more likely to check it out.

Thank you for your response.

Alas, I think they're going to be able to find ways to make the "free publicity" harmful. These people are petty, but they're not stupid. I'm expecting GPT-written negative reviews (which will drown out the positive ones) and various chatter on social media that redirects any discussion of the work to discussion of the author and what he may or may not have done (nothing illegal, but stupid shit that's really embarrassing) 20 years ago. I know they're going to try to raise a cancel mob. They did it in 2015 over my (ill-considered) use of one word. I was using it as a regular trash insult, but a bunch of people got paid $75 a post to misrepresent my intentions on social media, and it ended up costing me job opportunities.

I used to believe that "there's no such thing as bad publicity", but that isn't true. If you get a negative review in good faith by, say, the New York Times, that's not going to hurt you financially at all. (Emotionally, it might.) Critical or even negative publicity that comes in good faith does tend to help you in the long run. On the other hand, if you get 100 low-effort negative reviews on Goodreads by people who've never read the book, your average drops into 1.x or 2.x territory and you're done. To the rest of the world, it just looks like you wrote a bad book. And if someone drums up a cancel mob, it can get really bad really quick.

The book isn't about the people are going to attack it. It's an unrelated novel. They're going to attack it because they're vindictive, not because there's anything in there for them to fear. They might be afraid that if the book succeeds and I become famous, I use my "platform" to go after them in the future. (It isn't really my plan, but I understand their paranoia, as I must sound a bit paranoid myself.) The book itself isn't going to "shed light on" them, though, as that's not its purpose. I'd rather forget entirely that they exist.

I'm playing defense here because offense isn't really a possibility. Some of these people, I know exactly who they are. Most of them are people who work for those people (or who did) whose names I don't even know. One of the guys who was stupid enough to attack me under his real name is some dork in Seattle (I'm on the east coast) who claims to have worked with me even though we've never met.

Even if they manage to get a cancel mob on you, it's pretty well known that those fizzle out if the target doesn't give them more ammunition by acknowledging them. So, if it gets bad and you handle it well it's just a temporary setback.

Cancel mobs get off on having influence over the target's emotions. Deny them that and they lose their fuel.

I recommend looking at some of SunnyV2's dissections on influencers who have been cancelled or ruined their reputations some other way: https://www.youtube.com/@SunnyV2/videos

The main rule for surviving is pretty prominent in the thumbnails themselves: never respond.

Since your book doesn't have anything to do with the attackers then that complicates things. In that case you might have to straight up market the book with ads and such, and try to get review-ignorant readers. The attackers will lose energy after some time, so those bad reviews could get buried by genuine readers.

You should probably consult with a PR specialist really.

The problem is that I can't afford a PR specialist, any more than poor people can just go buy more money, and the adversaries can.

The only unknown is how seriously they are going to attack me. They don't really gain anything, so it could be no more than a couple sock puppets on Twitter. Or it could be a full force affair.

Not sure about the others but GPT bombing is a severe violation of the OpenAI policy, which was literally one of the main reasons they kept it locked up for so long. If someone gets caught for it, they'll get access revoked.

Also in general, sites like Google Play have built up defense mechanisms against review bombing and review bribes. I'd be surprised if a company owned by Amazon doesn't have such measures, but then again, no algorithm is perfect.

Right. I'm well-aware that review bombing is against OpenAI's policies. The main issue that the adversaries have connections through Y Combinator, and I don't. None of this should be taken to cast aspersion on OpenAI itself--very loose and often indirect business or social ties to an evildoer to not make oneself an evildoer, of course--but it wouldn't shock me if certain policies were under-enforced. Even if OpenAI does revoke access, they probably won't assist me in exposing people, should they decide to do this.
You need to treat your book launch as if these attacks aren’t happening.

Everything I’ve read here comes across as conspiracy theory woo-woo nonsense. Keep whatever promotion you do on your book itself and not on the attacks/attackers or you’ll come across as conspiracy theory nonsense to others as well.

If you can’t afford PR help, then you better hope your book is good because you’re not going to be able to do anything about a real coordinated attack yourself.

This sounds sufficiently cloak-and-dagger, or possibly paranoid that you should consider finding an agent who would present your work to Netflix. Don't release the novel, or release only an audiobook, with an engaging, charming narrator who can disarm dissenters.

It sounds like you seek confrontation even if that's not your objective; if it is your objective, then it sounds like it's all going-to-plan. If not, then perhaps expose your work only through mediators, so the message isn't lost or lessened, but the voice and antagonism are dissipated.

A good agent can be a writer's salvation. No writer is an expert in self-marketing, and close proximity to the words ensure significant bias.

Im having hard time coming up with a genius idea for your defense or counter attack.

I see only the long-term approach. If you’ll keep working and do us on what you can control, you’ll get the best you can get.

They cannot be controlled. So leave it aside, and work harder than you’d normally have to.

Positive reviews will come, and eventually (but maybe slowly) they’ll overcome the bad ones.

P.S: I’d love to get a copy. Email me with the release! @yuvalaizenman@gmail.com

I think as suggested prohobo, just use it as publicity and in the end people will realise that your book isn't shit. You may also try to go on some sort of podcasts if possible in a way to confront those people, as it seems to work these days.
That's a good idea, but how do I get on these podcasts?
Publish under an untraceable nom de plume?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pen_name

It's a good idea, but it's too late for that. I've said too much about the book under my real name.

At the time, I hadn't decided whether I wanted to use a traditional publisher, and traditional publishers hate pen names. You pretty much have to prostitute yourself on social media for traditional publishing to be an option these days.

I realized that self-publishing was the only way to retain the creative control this particular project works, but that was after I had talked about the project under my real name. I do agree that pen names are great for self-publishers, especially if they're trying to differentiate product lines or involve themselves in some of the most lucrative subgenres.

Are these people in an industry that puts them in a good position to attack?

If not, I wouldn't waste any more brain cycles on it.