[ytygg775]

Then you are doing this wrong. It's in your hands how you fill the role.

Don't try to learn from people who are also doing it wrong.

[michaelt]

If you work at google and it takes 7 forms to promote one guy, either you’re filling out 7 forms or your guys aren’t getting promoted.

Then you get to do 20 hours of interviews trying to hire their replacement instead.

So you get a choice - but not much of one.

[hackernewds]

Being a good manager is shielding your technical ICs from the whims and BS processes crafted by non-technical ICs.

[mythhouse]

being a human BS shield doesn't sound like a job anyone would be excited to go to work everyday.

Ppl do this just for money?

[ethanbond]

Well they also don’t think this is what the job actually is, so they pursue it incorrectly and then, shocker, become very bad managers.

[silisili]

No idea what you're talking about. Manager is not CEO. There are forces above.

[ytygg775]

Of course there are. And in a good company, those above you will listen to your suggestions for improvement and work with you to make them happen, or something addressing the same issues. Just like you should be listening to your reports and work with them, not against them.

This whole "opposing forces" attitude is what makes hierarchies toxic instead of supportive and I'd run the other way if somebody described a workplace like that to me.

[mythhouse]

> And in a good company

what % of companies do you think fit this qualifier.

[ytygg775]

Apparently not many. What's beyond me is why people don't leave the shitty ones. HN comments are full of examples where I'd scream that question. But maybe it's not as bad and people like to exaggerate? Or they prefer to complain instead of taking consequences. I suppose seeing oneself as the victim is just the easy way out.

[mythhouse]

> Apparently not many. What's beyond me is why people don't leave the shitty ones.

I think its hard to tell from outside which company is shitty and which isn't. Even if you know someone on the inside you might end up in a different team with shitty culture.

Can you name couple of non-shitty companies in the US. I can't think of many.

[scruple]

Even the ones I could name, that I have personal, direct experience with, have become shitty over time.