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by mijkal 1269 days ago
As a Bernie-style 'leftist', I can't say a response to this abortion assertion any better than Pete Buttigieg did on Fox news (<2 min clip), and I bet the vast majority of _all_ Americans would agree with this take:

https://youtu.be/wKOoWYfIzIw
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leereeves 1269 days ago
Laws are necessary because we can't trust everyone. Some women throw their newborn babies in the trash. Are you willing to trust them to "draw the line" too, or would you insist that the legislature draw a line at birth?
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fzeroracer 1269 days ago
The line is drawn at birth. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here unless you're arguing that those states that allow abortions at all stages allow you to abort a baby that has already been delivered.
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leereeves 1269 days ago
Buttigieg asked "who gets to draw the line?"

The answer is: the legislature, always, everywhere. Some legislatures draw the line at six weeks, others draw it at birth, but every legislature draws a line.

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fzeroracer 1269 days ago
Yes, and the legislature is often incorrect. For example, Texas draws the line at 'never', and it's medical exemption is so narrow as to never be used even in cases like ectopic pregnancies.

The point is that those states don't trust women to handle their own health and so they force the issue upon them.

If you have an actual point to make can you explain it.

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leereeves 1268 days ago
It's very simple. No state or nation "trusts women" to draw the line where a new human being acquires the right to life. Every legislature takes that responsibility on itself (even those that draw the line at birth).

Do you trust women to decide whether newborns should live or die? Does Buttigieg?

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fzeroracer 1268 days ago
So your point is an entirely irrelevant argument about moving the goalposts past abortion to make a nitpicky argument around trust.

The entire point is that ultimately it's her body you're trying to dictate. Do you think the legislature has a vested interest in controlling what men do with their organs? Should they pass laws preventing men from tying their tubes because the legislature has a vested interest in keeping population growth high?

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