[oceanplexian]

> So they finally figured out that "self driving" was really just a divisionary tactic with lots of legal liability?

I don't think people get how utterly behind and unsafe the legacy carmakers products are.

I've rented current-year Cadillacs, Audis, BMWs, and it's all a terrible gimmick. They can't keep the vehicle in the center of the lane, "adaptive cruise control" repeatedly tries to kill you by accelerating into semi-trucks and trailers, the autonomous systems repeatedly disengage, and they certainly can't navigate around on city streets, can't change lanes, basically need 100% of your attention to operate in a remotely safe way.

Tesla may have their QC issues and their Elon issues, but the technology is a decade ahead. You can punch in an address and FSD Beta literally navigates you through the city with pedestrians, traffic, and so on to your destination in a fairly predictable manner. The adaptive cruise control, lane changing, and highway functions are predictable and reliable enough to handle a regular commute. It's easy to stand on the sidelines and be a critic but if you go out into the real world and actually drive all these vehicles it's obvious who is innovating and who is desperately playing catch-up.

[snehk]

My experience here is the opposite. I have an Audi A8 and my girlfriend drives a Tesla Model 3. In my experience, the Audi is way, way more reliable when it comes to the features. The features just work for me. I've never had any problems with the lane assist, for example, and I drive between 1000km and 1500km a week through Germany (not sure if the features are different depending on the location). I'd like if I didn't have to put my hands on the steering wheel that often but that's pretty much it.

Tesla's offerings are a real letdown. And they don't work as advertised either, which is why they're not allowed to advertise them in the same way anymore. It's missing way, way too many things that the car should notice. It's kind of like Siri. When it works, it's amazing. It often doesn't so you can't really rely on it. We also had to replace a rim on the right hand side because the car simply didn't turn the wheel back. Girlfriend won't use the feature anymore now because she's kind of scared.

The summons feature doesn't work reliably either even when the conditions are perfect. The car just stops and you stand there and don't know why it's not doing anything at all.

I can't speak for BMW or Cadillac but calling FSD a decade ahead is ridiculous. It fails at so many simple things and all videos online confirm this and they don't seem to be able to really fix this. Every new Beta shows the exact same problems again and again.

[mensetmanusman]

I have seen fsd perform a left turn crossing oncoming lanes and waiting for traffic to pass.

Are you thinking Audi will have that in less than 10 years from now?

[snehk]

Like I said; the features don't work reliably. I've driven thousands of KM in a Model 3 and the features are impressive but not reliable. I'd go for less impressive but more reliable every single day.

[starfallg]

FSD as a product is a gimmick. It is an advanced automation but nevertheless a gimmick because driving and sharing the road with humans requires capabilities that synthetic AI has not yet achieved, and there is no clear roadmap on when and how it's going to be achieved. The way FSD is marketed is borderline misrepresentation.

[csa]

> FSD as a product is a gimmick. > The way FSD is marketed is borderline misrepresentation.

Only one of these two statements is correct.

FSD is a gross misrepresentation of the function’s capabilities.

FSD is not, however, a gimmick. If it was simply renamed “advanced cruise control”, it would be very accurate, and Tesla’s product would be at the high end of quality for advanced cruise control.

[tdsanchez]

"but the technology is a decade ahead"

No. It's not. Legacy automakers are decades of ahead of Tesla in measuring/controlling quality and reliability as part of their long-term cost structure. Tesla is a VC hack that wasn't even founded by Musk.