[bladelessninja2]

That's my point - there would be never a discussion about saving bankers in 2008 if there was capitalism, capitalism rejects ANY intervention into free market (except maybe anti monopoly laws). That only proofs that it is not capitalism here to blame - it is corrupted politicians that gained too much power through socialism in the name of "social justice" (which has so much in common with "justice" as "electric chair" has with "chair").

[piva00]

This capitalism you're talking about is an imaginary construction. It never existed, never will. Why are you being a demagogue and defending an ideal? You know very well what people refer to as capitalism, the one that exist in reality. Not some lofty idea you want to defend.

> but you (of course) play big intellectual and pretend it is OK to ignore facts.

Grow up.

[bladelessninja2]

> This capitalism you're talking about is an imaginary construction. It never existed, never will.

I hope you understand that we are referring to models there, right? Your point that you can't discuss ideas because model is not reality is ridiculous - with that philosophy we would never had any engineering done. It's like arguing with someone who said "I have wooden house" with an argument "No mate, your door handles are metal".

> You know very well what people refer to as capitalism, the one that exist in reality.

And that is exactly what I'm fighting against - total confusion, calling capitalism system where Tax Freedom Day is in August (talking about some European countries) - you want to blame capitalism where there system is far from the idea of capitalism. Like I explained before: you disassemble wheels from a car and wonder why it is not working - here, you are removing the very reason why capitalism works (by restraining economic freedom, expanding welfare) and you are surprised that it isn't working.

> Grow up.

I was just referring to your comment about things being obvious where you have clearly some problems explaining your thoughts.

[M95D]

> corrupted politicians that gained too much power through socialism

Please explain how that works.

[bladelessninja2]

More taxes = more power to people who decide how tax system is designed (there are many, many examples where big companies get away with literally not paying taxes) More money to redistribute = more power to people who decide who will get money and who won't, all those "government investments" are filled with corruption. Not to mention smaller things like ordering friend's company to create report on how spend tax payer's money, of course the report costs millions of dollars and says nothing.