[sfifs]

actual sustainable peace requires denuclearization (and possible fragmentation) of the Russian federation because a precedent has to be set for the international order that threat of weapons of mass destruction cannot be used for annexation. Right now, by arming Ukraine, NATO is stripping Russia of conventional forces that keep the nucleae weapons safe and the federation together. Hopefully the emdgame will be achieved politically vs by first strike.

[psychphysic]

This is the problem I'm afraid.

Perhaps it's well meaning but by asking for the end of Russia you're just another war hawk voice asking for world war.

[sfifs]

Not really. We tend to anthropomorphize countries in general conversations but this is really about lessons that political leadership needs to be taught.

There are several current lessons leaders world over have already learned from this conflict - eg. (1) never give up nuclear weapons as the security guarantees won't be honoured (2) the destructive power and accuracy of networked modern light weapons is so great that it is impossible to hold territory conventionally if the other side has access to these