[survirtual]

Nah. Instant torque and a low center of gravity give a Tesla super powers that a jeep doesn’t have.

There are many places higher clearance vehicles can go that I can’t, but there are many places I can go that they can’t — without puncturing an oil can, or rolling over, or any number of other reasons.

People here can say what they want, but I’ve been places on the US and seen things, with pictures to prove it, that most Americans won’t see in their lifetime.

[alphabettsy]

Can’t explain why I’m indulging this because it seems like a joke, but do you have an example of a place a stock Model 3 can go off-road that a Jeep Rubicon cannot? Like a photo or video?

[survirtual]

If I took some time I can think of several. Most would be hard for someone to relate to because of the extremes of where I go. But here is one that may have saved my life.

I was driving through Montana to Spokane, WA and going through the mountain passes between Missoula and Spokane. There are two, Lookout Pass and Fourth of July Pass, both can get pretty bad during the winter.

I am driving towards Lookout pass and it is looking okay; middle of winter but the weather isn’t bad. Right when I get to the major ascension, a storm hits. Visibility completely plummets. I can’t see the road & it becomes difficult to even tell where the side is. I can’t pull over because there are cliffs & visibility was so bad it was not possible to make out the boundary, so I went forward.

Eventually, there was a clearing where you put on chains — for people who thought they could make it and fight to get up, but realize they can’t probably. Anyway, this area was visible because it was lit like sunlight with lighting. i start to veer towards it. Unbeknownst to me, I veer off the road and into the middle. I hit the center of the roadway with a ton of snow packed from shoveling and my car flips on its side….then, stops.

Understand I an on my left two wheels and my car is sideways at > then 45 degrees. I was just happy I wasn’t off a cliff rolling down to my death, and that I stabilized. If I was in just about any other car, I would either have completely flipped or be impossibly stuck and need a tow. In a Jeep, no question this is a flip btw, Jeeps can flip easily especially at that speed and angle.

So I am sitting there sideways, not flipping, and everything still works, so I just do standard “stuck in snow” procedures, starting with going forward and back to slowly build momentum. I do this for about a minute while holding a hard left and, to my surprises, I start moving sidewise. Like out of a cartoon, my car just plops back on all 4 and I keep driving like nothing happened.

It took a crisis that could have resulted in a flipped & buried vehicle, with no cell reception and a practical blizzard outside near a mountain peak, and made it into a funny happenstance.

I drove much slower and more cautious after that and finished the rest of the journey safely.

Not an offroad story but paints the picture of what low center of gravity + electric AWD can accomplish.

[alphabettsy]

Good story, but I see we have completely new goalposts and a new field too.

> Most would be hard for someone to relate to because of the extremes of where I go.

There is nowhere a Model 3 can go and come back as it left that any off-roader would consider extreme.

[survirtual]

There are plenty of places. Maybe you’ll run into me, and you’ll have the same comment hundreds of others have had seeing me in these places: how the hell did you get here with that?

The possibilities are endless. Don’t narrow yourself. Being able to drive a car uniquely that has a vastly superior drivetrain is not something difficult to imagine.

[alphabettsy]

Still not one meaningful photo of such a place though.

I don’t think you have an accurate idea how significantly more capable a Jeep Rubicon is. Agree to disagree.

Happy holidays!