[clouddrover]

> There is still no real general contenders for Tesla realistically speaking, and I would really like it if there was. There just isn’t.

There appear to be many contenders, but then Europe's a bigger EV market than North America:

https://eu-evs.com/marketShare/ALL/Groups/Line/All-time-by-Y...

The best EV platform for price to capability (800v, V2L) at the moment is probably Hyundai's E-GMP platform used in the Hyundai Ioniq 5, Hyundai Ioniq 6, Kia EV6, and the Genesis GV60.

The best value EV is the Chevy Bolt: https://electrek.co/2022/12/20/the-chevy-bolt-is-about-to-be...

The outright best platform is the Lucid Air for both range and performance:

https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyDpQpcPpuc

[survirtual]

This Ionic 6 looks interesting. Has the base specs I would want, if it was around when I got my Tesla I may have got that instead to have a brand with less mental space in people’s head.

Lucid Air has an outrageous price for 4 doors slapped on electric motors so I wouldn’t even consider one.

[pwinnski]

I've been driving a Fiat 500e for a few years, and I love it, but nobody would consider it competition for Tesla.

My new 2023 Chevrolet Bolt EUV, on the other hand, it's amazing. And so inexpensive!