[bravetraveler]

Similar thoughts here.

Taking the car on terrain is more a question of ride height than durability, anyway

Being able to roll over things is the minimum

The real car manufacturers are slow and lazy, but they only need to learn how to slap electric motors and batteries in there

As far as I'm concerned, musk did his part. He got EVs to be a part of the conversation

[stjohnswarts]

This has been my point in many arguments. I don't need an autopilot or 24/7 connectivity. I just want a basic jeep/sedan/truck that does what we've been doing with them for the past 100 years. My phone can do the rest of what I need from connectivity. I would be fine (more than fine) with a usb stick firmware upgrade. The less my car is connected over wifi/5g the better. I don't need anything beyond the standard instrument cluster. Upgrade me all around to LED lights everything and we're good. Think of me as a digital Amish. I only want those things that are functional and efficient.

[survirtual]

I actually agree with this.

Want to start a new EV company? Could build a barebones, rugged EV that is cheap as hell, easy to hack, and has no unneeded electronics / no connectivity. I would switch over to that in a heartbeat.