[WarChortle]

> The US has the highest preventable death rate in the developed world.

>> They also have by far the highest obesity rate in the developed world.

So... I am sure that is one reason of the highest preventable death rate. doesn't invalidate GP point.

> I'm supportive of universal healthcare, but this is a huge exaggeration.

Sadly in a way its not an exaggeration at all, will doctors and nurses literally watch you die of course not. If you go into the ER they legally have to stabilize you. But that's it. If I have cancer and and really sick, If they take to me to the ER, they will stabilize me but they want start treating the cancer. Even if its still early, they will watch you die over time as the cancer advances and makes you worse.

To be fair, I am certain the doctors and nurses want to treat you. But the hospital won't/can't allow it for bullshit reasons.

> You can buy human insulin for $25 a vial at Walmart. It's not as good, but it's what people used a couple decades ago.

I can't believe your defending poor people having to use worse insulin. How is that okay for you? We are talking about peoples lives, can the richest country on earth aim a little higher then throwing decades old medical knowledge at poor people to shut them up?

> I'm supportive of universal healthcare,

No you aren't, after that claim about supporting it, you spend the rest of your post shooting down universal healthcare.

> Countries with nationalized healthcare often have long backlogs for treatments. The cancer backlog in the UK is over 2 million people and it's continuing to grow [1].

> Also, if you are insured, you're typically going to get new and more sophisticated treatments on the US compared to most places with nationalized healthcare.

The UK has its issue, but from what I can see its because they are purposely starving it of money so they can ultimately privatize it.

America's health care is fucking garbage. There is no defending it, I'm so tired of spending my time calling several different companies to figure out why I am getting billed for something I shouldn't be. I'm not exaggerating either, literally one or twice a month I get the joy of calling my insurance and whatever doctor sent the bill and try and solve why my insurance won't cover it.

[dang]

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

[Aunche]

> The UK has its issue, but from what I can see its because they are purposely starving it of money so they can ultimately privatize it.

This isn't true. Healthcare spending has grown every year and has never significantly fallen relative to GDP. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthan...

> America's health care is fucking garbage.

I agree, but it's not for a lack of spending. The US government actually spends more per capita on healthcare than the UK in total. I'm not opposed to universal healthcare. I'm opposed to politicians throwing money at a problem to buy votes, but that is the only thing that can result from a universal policy that results from healthcare at all costs rhetoric.

[ejb999]

>> But the hospital won't/can't allow it for bullshit reasons.

Bullshit reasons like they don't want to go bankrupt and not be able to serve anyone at all?

[dantheman]

Completely agree, maybe if the USA got rid of the FDA and the whole concept of prescription medicine we'd be able to buy cheap medicine without the all the protectionism that the state bolts on.