[tim333]

>It's always surprising to me when people think he's amazing when really, he has a lot of money

He started out after college with negative net worth and from that became the world's richest man through transforming electric cars and rocketry. I find it amazing people can look at that and say he's just a rich idiot.

[jacquesm]

> I find it amazing people can look at that and say he's just a rich idiot.

I look at the last three months and I wonder how they can't.

But you're just as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine.

[BinaryIdiot]

> He started out after college with negative net worth

He did not. Maybe "on paper" in a very specific way you could say that, but that ignores everything else like how he had very, very rich parents and connections. His very first company, Zip2, had his father as the first investor like come on.

He would have had to try NOT to fall into money.

> from that became the world's richest man through transforming electric cars and rocketry

Tesla existed before Musk. He provided investor money then a couple of years later lead the charge to unseat the founder as CEO which eventually led him to becoming CEO. Up until about 2016, Tesla would have gone bankrupt without government assistance, and they have an entire management team that deals with the day-to-day as well as managing Musk.

For SpaceX Musk did found the company but it was essentially engineered by the CTO down. Musk isn't out here making rockets himself.

Now that him and his yes men are running twitter, you're seeing his true management style in action. This kind of stuff has been said / reported about him for decades. I knew multiple people who worked at Tesla and all of them quit without a year and just talked about how terrible it was (especially the multiple times when they found out they were delivering things they had never discussed and hearing it first from Musk when he said it in public / social media).

He's not going to see your posts, bro.

[jjoonathan]

> Tesla existed before Musk.

So I've watched the Eberhard interview [1] and the Musk counter-interview [2] and I'm still not decided on this. Did Eberhard do a bunch of useful early-day heavy-lifting only to get elbowed out by Musk once things were ticking along and it was time to take credit? Or was he incompetent and un-invested, forcing Musk to reluctantly take back the reins? I'd love to hear an insider opinion, but I don't know where to look next and I've already spent far too much time today litigating other peoples' bullshit founder drama, lol.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eblPwXFb7TE

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeeeEDSekG8