[the_sleaze_]

My own father passed roughly a year ago as well, also at a particularly advanced age. I had a similar experience, where I became frustrated with the lack of what I perceived to be care. As in "give a shit", or even a desire to find an actual diagnosis. One doctor told me, as my father lay intubated a foot away, that [the Dr's] best gift he gave his own parents was to DNR them so they never spent a day in a nursing home.

A year later I've realized that my father was 80 years old. We all have to die at some point. Your father was 87. I understand you're upset. It may be that there was more for the medical system to do, there may not have been.

At what point does spending possibly millions of dollars to extend some one's life 1 year, 2 years stop becoming good and turns into actual harm?

They have to go at some point. Even if it is someone else's fault.

[benatkin]

> It may be that there was more for the medical system to do, there may not have been.

I think you're mistaken if you think bane's complaint goes away if it turns out they couldn't have saved him. For one thing, bane said his father refused treatment, but still had a complaint with the hospice. The complaint with the hospice probably wouldn't be that they didn't save him from succumbing to his illness because that's not what the hospice is tasked with doing. When someone has a terminal illness and refuses treatment what they are supposed to do is provide care while their illnesses kill them. They are to provide needs so other things don't kill them, not kill them earlier or make their conditions worse with laziness or incompetence. One example of something cancer shouldn't cause is bedsores from not being moved out of bed periodically. From how bane wrote of it, it seems like they were very far from any reasonable standard of care, so it would be hard to say what specifically would have gone better with his father's physical and mental condition during his months after diagnosis.

As far as bane's father's diagnosis, I think it's likely if the medical system had worked harder to diagnose him they could have.

[zamalek]

Agreed. I am a person who would want millions spent to save my life, but despite that I take further issue with all this: people who refuse treatment are forced into a hospice because they are not allowed to choose euthanasia.

You either suffer through a shit medical system, or have a needlessly painful/uncomfortable death.

[tekknik]

> treatment are forced into a hospice because they are not allowed to choose euthanasia.

Killing babies is OK and now so is euthanasia? But suicide is used as ammunition to remove access to guns?

[eric_cc]

I would not compare euthanasia and abortion.

Euthanasia is a choice you make governing your own life.

Abortion is a choice you make governing another being’s life.

As for suicide and guns - I’ve never heard this one before. There are plenty of options for suicide that don’t involve guns.

[YellOh]

These arguments seem unrelated. Any combination of opinions of the availability of abortions, the availability of euthanasia, and the availability of guns is possible. I'm not entirely sure who you're trying to strawman here (I'd say a generic liberal, except the liberals I've heard argue against gun ownership are way more upset about mass shootings than suicides).

[ss108]

He's not really trying to strawman anyone, he's either a nut or a troll.