[aliraheem]

The biggest problem is that Firefox updates the next time you open the app, without warning.

That's not a sane decision. Sane would be to update on closing.

Same way Windows offers to "Update and Shutdown" (you don't need the PC anymore why don't I under after you walk away) and not "Update on next Start up" (I'll wait until you need me to get in your way).

[yellowapple]

> Same way Windows offers to "Update and Shutdown" (you don't need the PC anymore why don't I under after you walk away) and not "Update on next Start up" (I'll wait until you need me to get in your way).

This presumes that shutting down is never a time-sensitive action. If I had a nickel for every time Windows decided it wants to spend a half hour installing updates when I'm trying to shut down a laptop so that I can put it in my bag and go somewhere with it, I'd be able to actually buy a Windows license instead of resorting to vlmcsd.

[toast0]

If you use win-x to access the shutdown menu, it will give you options of shutdown or update and shutdown. Although, I think that's really shutdown and update on next boot though. At least this is available in Windows 10.

[Throwawayaerlei]

I run a desktop workstation with a UPS, its lead acid batteries are not infinite and don't like staying discharged, so at times shutting down quickly and cleanly is very important. The more I hear, the happier I am that I moved to Linux a decade and a half ago, and this general topic is a major reason I'm planning to go back to Debian after using Ubuntu LTS for my last two versions.

[k_sze]

As a side note, I've never understood why Windows and macOS updates take so long compared to Linux updates.

[rieTohgh6]

I wanted to check if it is due to stacking (security) patches instead of just extracting whole tarballs and the first result I got from Google was: https://www.quora.com/Why-are-updates-in-Linux-much-faster-t...

Quora always had reputation for being shit but I am impressed by how terrible that page is. I mean there are only two 2 types of answers there: "Window$ is BAD" and stuff that looks like generated by GPT-3( or straight up from those infamous "recipe sites" a.k.a. SEO farms).

[vel0city]

You would probably script out that shutdown sequence, and IIRC shutdown.exe can bypass the install updates step.

[aliraheem]

I should have left a "sequence shortened" warning. Windows 10/11 offer you 4 options when an update is pending. "Update and shutdown", "Update and reboot", "Shutdown" and "Reboot".

Perfect!

[yazzku]

Agree with yellowapple. Update on shutdown isn't great either. The sane decision to me is to let the user decide when to update their software.

[aliraheem]

Windows does, you can update whenever you life. All 4 possible options are offered when you go to shutdown, including skipping the update to shutdown/reboot now.

Windows does sometimes get it correct.

[jerryzh]

I would expect a software to close itself when I ask it to instead of hiding behind and update itself.