[mbac32768]

F# is nicer than the alternatives if you need to be (or want to be) on the Microsoft ecosystem but there are some things I miss when I use it from OCaml, like modules and functors. It also doesn't support named arguments, which are a fairly trivial thing that drastically cuts down the bugspace and increase usability for me.

I also don't think F# is as fast as OCaml?

Fairly relevant piece of culture on why a company switched from OCaml to F# https://blog.darklang.com/new-backend-fsharp/

[jjtheblunt]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/fsharp/language-ref...

might be now in there.

[int_19h]

I would expect F# to be faster than OCaml, given that it doesn't box floats, and is backed by a JIT that proactively does monomorphization of generics.

[naasking]

I doubt very much that F#/.NET is faster than OCaml. The latter is very fast, and the CLR's runtime generics have runtime costs.

[int_19h]

Can you give examples of the latter? I know from personal experience (of looking at disassembly of JIT output) that, when CLR generics are instantiated with structs, it is perfectly capable of full monomorphization with inlining of stuff similar to C++ <algorithm>.

[naasking]

Yes, structs are generally very good because they are mostly monomorphized. I haven't tested lately if structs of the same size but different types will fully monomorphize or if they share code and so require a small dispatch table. There was a CLR release awhile back where they discussed sharing code in this way to reduce code bloat.

There are still a few pitfalls. Off the top of my head, accessing generic static fields, ie. static class Foo<T> { public readonly static T Member }. Mainly for non-struct members, this typically requires a hashtable-like lookup to resolve the offset for the.

Also, generic interface dispatch can't be monomorphized, ie. interface IFoo<T> { void Method<T>(T value); }, so this too costs more than a regular virtual call because it too requires a hashtable-like lookup to resolve the generic overload to invoke.

[phillipcarter]

It’s faster in some ways and slower in others. But in general this is “very fast” vs. “very fast”. You won’t find yourself wanting in web service performance in either language, for example.

[naasking]

I wouldn't expect F# to be faster in anything actually, speaking as a .Net developer. OCaml is very well optimized and the abstract machine was well designed to have an efficient execution. Do you have any specific examples where the CLR is better?

[phillipcarter]

Yes, you can find several benchmarks on the language benchmarks game, for example. And I would expect that any situation where you use Spans in F# to outperform almost everything outside of native code (just like with C#).

Have you compared the two before?

[int_19h]

I recall OCaml wasn't particularly fast with anything involving floats, IIRC because they often require boxing?

[ywei3410]

It's complex [1], OCaml does have a unboxed representation of floats in arrays [2] and records (provided all fields are floats), but elsewhere they are indeed boxed.

[1] https://discuss.ocaml.org/t/optimizing-small-vector-operatio... [2] https://v2.ocaml.org/api/Float.Array.html

[naasking]

Good point. Polymorphic code that doesn't reduce to an unboxed float representation can be slower because of the boxing, but I don't think such code is very common exactly for this reason. I wonder if OCaml developers have tried NaN-boxing to see how it would impact performance.