[philsnow]

> less pollution

Did you read the part in the article about "super commuters"? I used to have about a 4 hour commute when I lived in the bay area. All the cars and gridlock cause a lot of pollution. If the area had built up and built more urban islands where you can go for a week or more without really needing to get in a car, then there would have been less pollution.

> less crowding and noise

If you don't like crowds, go live in the suburbs, but don't force the entire damn region to be one big suburb.

> less crime

What makes you think that? A lot of crime is driven by poverty and desperation. Density allows a greater variety of housing to be available, which reduces poverty.

> more nature

Why? Hong Kong is one of the densest cities in the world, but it's surrounded by nature.

> cleaner

Tokyo is another of the densest cities in the world, and is purportedly spotless. There is literally an "SF poop map" [0].

[0] https://www.arcgis.com/apps/View/index.html?appid=b6fab72091...

[hutzlibu]

"There is literally an "SF poop map""

So this is a map, where people report that they found some poop? Do they also keep track of their reported poop, like status report?

What exactly is the point of that map? Something like a hall of shame? Bringing authorities to do something?

[m0llusk]

There is an ongoing problem with small crimes damaging quality of life. When Newsom was mayor he set up a reporting system with a 311 front end reachable by phone or web where problems could be reported. This led, among other things, to the problem of trash bins being raided and dumped out being identified.

The poop map has not been that useful as there is limited push for public access toilets and it is not all that accurate but rather more of a map of where people complain about poop which is subtly different. Some public toilets have been installed and more are planned, but these are mostly for touristy commercial areas.

The map itself is mostly political fodder. Conservatives regularly post it with status updates and rage on local internet forums and conservative political forums as evidence that San Francisco is being ruined by policies that are soft on crime. Oddly enough this has not yet convinced the people of San Francisco to vote in representatives who are against Trans people and seek to limit access to abortion.