[koolba]

> The unvaccinated were filling up the hospitals which was putting other people at risk.

> Your right to gamble with your health ends when you expect to be able to get treatment if the gamble comes out badly.

My right to choose my own treatment outweighs any right you have to feel safer. That includes you feeling safe that the local hospital system will not be at capacity if you have to be admitted.

It’s no different than having a bunch of chain smokers, alcoholics, or morbidly obese people clogging the medical system. People have the right to make potentially destructive choices that are not directly harmful to those around them.

[lamontcg]

> chain smokers, alcoholics, or morbidly obese people clogging the medical system.

That's the normal load and it is scaled for it[*].

COVID is like a DDoS.

And there is no elastic cloud scaling for nurses, you can't just turn up more instances from a ready pool.

[*] Well maybe not any more, and lets not get into a discussion of the for-profit health care system.

[kennyloginz]

Interesting way to look at it , a DDoS on healthcare. Makes me think of a Cold War sci-fi story called “Wasp”.

[bsder]

> It’s no different than having a bunch of chain smokers, alcoholics, or morbidly obese people clogging the medical system.

These aren't comparable. Obesity or alcoholism aren't communicable and don't lead to outbreaks. If they did, we'd be having similar discussions as to Covid.

[bsder]

> My right to choose my own treatment outweighs any right you have to feel safer.

No problem. Please sign this document stating that you will not seek treatment for Covid and that hospitals can legally refuse to treat you if you contract Covid.

But, see, that didn't happen. Instead what we wind up with are anti-vaxxers begging for the vaccine after they have been put on ECMO. Yeah, unfortunately it's too late at that point.

And even worse you are now soaking up a hospital bed for 4+ months that should have gone to someone who wasn't stupid.

And even worse that that is the dying person's family giving grief to the hospital staff because someone anti-vax dying of Covid doesn't fit their reality narrative. I could at least have some sympathy for the uneducated following foolish leaders. I have NEGATIVE sympathy for those who then abuse people trying to help them when the consequences come home to roost.

When I can see tears of relief in the eyes of a nurse simply by saying "Don't worry. I'm pro-vax." we have let the idiots have too much leeway.

[koolba]

> No problem. Please sign this document stating that you will not seek treatment for Covid and that hospitals can legally refuse to treat you if you contract Covid.

Why? Do you expect someone who doesn’t get a measles vaccine to sign a waiver refusing treatment if they get I’ll? Do you expect someone who refuses to wear a condom to refuse treatment if they contract an STD?

[bsder]

> Do you expect someone who doesn’t get a measles vaccine to sign a waiver refusing treatment if they get I’ll?

Perhaps? The advantage that we have with measles is that the vaccine can reach "herd immunity" and the measles vaccine is extremely effective. If enough people started dropping the measles vaccine because "Muh Choices!" that we fell below that and it started clogging the hospitals, yeah, maybe. The enclaves that refuse the measles vaccine find out about every 5-10 years why that's a bad idea.

[XiraceFulufuke]

Fortunately you can't stop the countdown till the moment you realize that the idiot was you.

[bsder]

If contracting a bad case of Covid 19 is enough to get anti-vax people to change their beliefs, perhaps that's pretty good evidence that maybe they haven't thought out the consequences of their position very well, after all.

As the kids say: "Fuck around. Find out." Or, as the olds say: "Play stupid games; win stupid prizes."