[amag]

But that's my point, when we get where we're heading you won't need a cooking recipe website, an AI will cook much better than you could.

"Ok, great, then I don't have to cook!"

Yeah, but what will you do instead? We will be reduced to pure consumers as anything worthwhile to produce will be produced better and faster by an AI.

[dangond]

Hang out with friends, play sports, eat good food, raise a family, go on hikes. An AI can automate your labor, but it can't automate your experiences. There are countless recordings on YouTube of people performing beautiful renditions of the Interstellar soundtrack on piano, yet that doesn't stop me from playing my mediocre version and slowly improving. The act of playing it myself brings me joy that listening to it could never do.

[exceptione]

That is a positive outcome. If this would be technically possible, we would collectively have to work insanely hard to steer the ship, because this is totally not where we are heading right now.

Today, low-skilled people have sometimes to work 3 jobs to pay their rent.

While we are dreaming about playing tennis, the US experienced an attempt to overthrow democracy not so long ago. For some people [1], "enough" does not exist. (We cannot put these things in context, because what those people are aiming for transcends our imagination. That is why there is almost no response.)

To be blunt: they won't share with you because you like playing tennis so much.

[1] I am talking about the money behind all of this

[amag]

These are all good options of course, still with the lack of creative things, it might not be enough for all people.

[gen220]

In life, the existential personal questions are, roughly, "what matters (to me)?" and "what should I do about it?".

Our society currently affords ample opportunity to "productively" avoid those questions. You can pour everything into work, watch TV, numb your brain with drugs, or whatever.

Automation does not remove the existential questions, it just removes some of the noise that allows us to ignore them, and elevates them to the forefront.

Some people already have answers to those questions, and stand to gain from that toil being removed. Others have been avoiding the question their entire life, and removing the toil that excuses their avoidance is removing a cornerstone of their identity.

To that extent, I agree that automation is a disintegrative force, because so many people have yet to integrate a personality and identity around answering these foundational questions.

Still, it's long-term-better for our society if automation allows people to access higher forms of self-actualization. In the medium-term, a depressing number of people are content with passing time in their current rung on that ladder, and will be upset with the change.

[amag]

> Our society currently affords ample opportunity to "productively" avoid those questions.

I fully agree.

> Some people already have answers to those questions, and stand to gain from that toil being removed.

I used to believe that but with the recent improvements in AI, I think it's only true to an extent. Not all personalities are equal. As AI's power in the creative fields increase those fields will more and more become a question of who has the most money to throw at AI processing. Superficially it might seem the same as two-three centuries ago when rich people had famous artists paint them but it's not.

I fear where we're at with AI is the beginning of the end for human creativity. Of course I hope I'm wrong. I hoped I was wrong about my skepticism when I first learned of Facebook in 2007, but as it turned out it has and continues to be a net negative force in our world much bigger than I could imagine.

[gen220]

> As AI's power in the creative fields increase those fields will more and more become a question of who has the most money to throw at AI processing.

I think the relevant question that might allay your fear is: why do people make art?

The industry that produces commercial art is absolutely on the chopping block, because in commercial art it's the result that's important, not the process. Such art is effectively a commodity, and barriers to the effective synthesis thereof have already been in the process of whittling away for centuries. I think you may be over-indexing on this category, but please correct me if I'm mis-assuming.

"True" (for lack of a better word) Art is the expression of self. It's an action or process that's captured in some sensory medium. That doesn't go away.

Imagine an artisan who forges handmade sculptures from horseshoes, which were obtained from the farm that she grew up in, themselves forged by her grandfather and worn by the horses in her mother's stable. There is something of herself , her family, and the loved they shared that's in the sculpture. It isn't the most hedonistically-perfect visual sculpture imaginable, but it brings you joy to see it because there's a narrative behind it.

AI does not make stuff like this go away. It actually frees more people to become these imbue-ers of meaning, if they are so inclined.

AI could describe the sculpture, AI could produce a digital facsimile, and maybe even eventually reforge the metal itself. But it can't imbue it with meaning like a human does. Unless you believe the AI itself is authentically capable of such a thing on equal footing to a human, which I think is still a "victory" for art, albeit a distinct one.

[amag]

> AI does not make stuff like this go away. It actually frees more people to become these imbue-ers of meaning, if they are so inclined.

Yeah, but in that very example I feel the value and narrative behind it is in the memory of the grandfather's toil. When we no longer toil, there will be no horse shoes for our grandchildren to make sculptures of.

[InspiredIdiot]

The concern is that the reasons people _want_ to make art are not the same as the reasons people choose to make art their profession. Specifically, they want to make art for the sort of reasons you mention. And most of those people have to choose to make commercial art if they want to have a decent living while also having the time to make some sort of art.

It is glossing over so much of the important detail to say "[AI] actually frees more people..." We live in a capitalist system. It frees the holders of capital. Anyone reasonably likely to profit from AI is likely to already be immensely privileged, given the costs of training and attendant centralization and barriers to entry. If they wanted to make horseshoes they would already FIRE and forget it.

[hnaccy]

Why do you assume you will have the resources to do these things?

We're running headlong into a world where AI makes significant portion of human labor worthless.

[SoftTalker]

Take a look at any community where the vast majority of people don't have anything to do. Are those places you would want to live? Do you see happiness? Do you see any significant number of people responsibly raising families, pursuing self-improvement, or even keeping the garbage picked up? Or do you see squalor and decay and mental illness and addiction and hopelessness?

[SyzygistSix]

You mean like wealthy retirement communities?

[throwaway4aday]

You don't have to cook now, a lot of people don't. It's pretty easy to see that even though options like restaurants, fast food, food delivery, etc. exist doesn't mean that everyone will use them all the time and people still enjoy cooking food themselves even though they know they could go to a fancy restaurant and have the same dish prepared by a professional that has a lifetime more experience than they do. Full AI and robotic automation would be the same, if you want to code something yourself you'll do it just for fun even though you don't have to and what you produce might be objectively worse.

[rembicilious]

People cook to their own tastes. An AI cook may be able to follow a recipe, but can it adjust the recipe on the fly by tasting, smelling, feeling the food? If it can’t do this, it won’t compare well to a real chef/cook

[jimbokun]

> An AI cook may be able to follow a recipe, but can it adjust the recipe on the fly by tasting, smelling, feeling the food?

Not yet.

[selimthegrim]

There’s plenty of actual people that can cook much better than you can right now

[googlryas]

Will the AI design and ship me a free high quality kitchen robot that will actually do the cooking? Otherwise the AI is just another recipe book.