[mehwoot]

> I don't think anyone is doubting that Tesla considers themselves to be a player

> I don't consider Tesla a player in self-driving, but I don't think Tesla does either

[pdabbadabba]

They clearly are a player in the self-driving cars market. They may not be a player in self-driving research. These things can both be true at the same time.

I think that's the distinction driving the confusion here.