[kolbe]

People sharing anecdotes isn't productive either. Someone talking about "almost crashes" is a terribly subjective thing. We have thousands of hours of youtube video of FSD. We have some data. And the value add of one commenter's experience is virtually zero.

[albertopv]

Teslas have been driven for millions of hours at least, if not billions, thousands of hours of youtube videos are anecdotes as well proportionally speaking. What about Tesla releasing complete real data? What are they scared about? Until then Tesla claims can't be taken seriously.

[paulryanrogers]

Videos on YT suffer from selection bias. Folks having scares are less likely to make the time to publish them, especially if they're fan boys -- the one cohort most likely to publish.

Agree raw data, or even just per 10K mile stats, from Tesla should be table stakes. Why aren't they required to report such things by law?

[rurp]

I strongly disagree. It's interesting to hear a thoughtful recounting of a HNers experience.

Tesla releasing the actual raw data would be much more helpful, but of course they are refusing to do that, most likely because it would betray how overhyped, unreliable and dangerous the software is.

[kolbe]

What do you want them to release? What does "raw data" mean to you? Does Waymo release this raw data?

[paulryanrogers]

Even just disengagements per 10K miles would be a reasonable start. Anonymized dumps of all automated driving would be ideal.

[lordnacho]

At the very least anecdotes are a place to start thinking about what data to collect. And wherever you think of it, it's established in modern debates that people bring anecdotes as a way to motivate discussion. Maybe it's wrong without a proper statistical study, but it's what people do and have done since forever.