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by dual_dingo 1277 days ago
Yeah, same in germany. Being an "Ingenieur" requires an academic degree (and studying computer science doesn't grant you the title of "Ingenieur" anyway...)
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> and studying computer science doesn't grant you the title of "Ingenieur" anyway

If your university offers computer science as a bachelor of engineering, it actually does grant you the title.

> and studying computer science doesn't grant you the title of "Ingenieur" anyway

That's not correct. E.g., consider the relevant section in the Bavarian engineering law[1] (using Google Translate):

> The job title engineer alone or in a word combination may use,

> (1) Anyone who has successfully completed an undergraduate degree at a state or state-recognized German university

> a) in a technical-scientific subject,

> b) which has a standard period of study of at least six full-time semesters and with which at least 180 points can be acquired using the ECTS system and

> c) in which the areas of mathematics, computer science, natural sciences and technology predominate; this requirement does not apply to people who have completed an undergraduate degree in industrial engineering and only use the professional title in the word combination industrial engineer

Further, my diploma for a Bachelor's in Computer Science from TUM contains the passage:

> The graduate is entitled to employ the designation Engineer alone or as part of a compound word.

[1] https://www.gesetze-bayern.de/Content/Document/BayIngG2016-2

I remember (many years ago, so it may be obsolete info) that there was some difference with a "Diplom Ingenieur", or at least I knew a few german Civil Engineers that took some pride in the "Diplom" part.
Is the "Dipl. Ing" still being used? I remember Klaus Knopper (the Knopix creator) had this at some point at his website
There's still a couple of universities that offer a "Diplomstudium", e.g. TU Dresden: https://tu-dresden.de/ing/studium/studienangebot.
I don’t think that degree is granted anywhere anymore.

I believe around 2005 most german universities switched to granting masters and bachelors, usually „of Science“ for technical subjects. The title is in english, also in german language context.

Do people still use "Entwickler" in Germany, or are job titles all pretty much Denglish now?
Entwickler is pretty common in Berlin, but I've not quantified it as a percentage as I'm definitely not close to C1 standard even now, and have always skipped such adverts in the past: https://www.stepstone.de/jobs/entwickler/in-berlin

And Berlin is (I'm told by everyone here) much more English language than anywhere else in Germany.

Depends on the company and jobs platform.

For conservative big names engineering like Bosch, Simenns or traditional mittlestand companies that mostly operate with German customers, yes they still use it. Xing is full of German only job ads.

But for software only companies operating international looking to attract foreign talent off LinkeIn, no, it's all English.

It's still used quite a lot.