[lzaaz]

A vehicle, a house...

[senda]

Sure if you don't want to pay tax

[manscrober]

you don't pay tax on a used vehicle

[estebank]

That depends on the country.

[lzaaz]

That's right, I don't.

Good thing about cars and houses is that you can pay some amount officially and then pay more money under the table.

[bigfudge]

Right. But that is illegal and in my view also immoral. If you want to change the law campaign for it. But breaking tax laws is not a victimless crime. You are freeloading/stealing from the rest of us.

[lzaaz]

It's impossible to make people vote to give themselves less money.

[bigfudge]

That’s factually incorrect. Cf most of Northern Europe for the past 60 years.

[bigfudge]

Edit - ah, I think you mean politicians? My comment still stands though. I don’t know the polling in the US, but spending on social programmes in Europe is broadly inline with public opinion, so the insunuation of a democratic deficit is misplaced, at least here.