[mindslight]

Seriously, what the actual fuck?

Have enough developers really been conditioned to accept surveillance and pervasive centralized control that someone thought this was a good idea? The fact that the telemetry code even exists is a problem - both in case of a bug that turns it on, and what it says about the proclivities of its developers.

It's utterly inappropriate to refer to this as "the Rust-based terminal", as if the language is its distinguishing feature. More like "the obscene SaaSification of a basic foundational utility". I'd be very much interested in trying a new terminal written in Rust, which could presumably be quicker and have a smaller chance of hiding latent parsing bugs, but this most certainly is not that.

[com2kid]

This is a enterprise product, and I can easily see how its adoption can save an organization a lot of time.

Easily share out custom workflows to fetch development keys and login to different services. Onboarding scripts that setup all the terminal things needed for development environment.

> "the obscene SaaSification of a basic foundational utility"

Watching their demo vid, it is a very nice terminal that also supports org wide shared scripts, in a unified manner with autocomplete.

Right now I have a text file with commands that I copy and paste daily to get things done. I share bits and pieces of this file with new hires when they onboard to solve various common problems. This shell solves that problem for an entire organization, and it does so in a discoverable way.

Can an org have their own repo of shell scripts? Sure, but then you have to make sure all developers in the org pull the latest when changes happen, and discoverability within "folder full of scripts" isn't the best.

> The fact that the telemetry code even exists is a problem - both in case of a bug that turns it on, and what it says about the proclivities of its developers.

Telemetry exists because running user studies is expensive. "What features are people using, what is crashing, where are people getting frustrated".

[ilrwbwrkhv]

Yup the new script kiddies in town have not had to win wars against large enterprise companies.

Hacker culture is very minimal these days.

Now a quick npm install here and there, using a slow af editor like vs code, using autocomplete which sends your strokes to the sky and using every single cloud service available to be "pragmatic" while sipping soy lattes, have made this whole industry, slow, uncool and boring.

[whatshisface]

Scrolling through their website it looks like they are offering an enterprise terminal that's not meant for personal use.

[mindslight]

Same thing with the underlying business case for Intel/AMD's ME/PSP backdoors, and locked down computing in general. Yet we all now have to suffer their existence on every performant CPU made in the past decade.

If software developers had a professional oath to do no harm akin to doctors, creating such systems would be professional malpractice. Some lines just shouldn't be crossed.

[Nicksil]

>If software developers had a professional oath to do no harm akin to doctors, creating such systems would be professional malpractice. Some lines just shouldn't be crossed.

akin to engineers as well.

[sshine]

> If software developers had a professional oath to do no harm

Weapons need software, too.