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by deanCommie
1332 days ago
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We can't have a reasonable discussion if you insist on calling all trans women men. There might be a chance if you acknowledge the basic facts which is that the vast majority of trans women are as even MORE at risk of sexual assault than cis women. And that the "rapists" who are attempting to infiltrate female spaces are an extreme minority, and are a danger to all women - cis and trans. There may be a version of an argument we could have about the difficulties have with banishing those people without banishing genuine trans women. But if you can't understand how trans women are victims in this too, and brandish them all as men, we're finished. There is no point discussing your desire to reduce men and women to sperm and eggs either. |
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I said male. And that's the issue. If trans women were female there wouldn't be a discussion, but they're male and want to be treated as female. This requires women to trust males who say they're women.
Why won't you just acknowledge that this is a huge request and that it'll require you to explain yourself, ask not tell, etc.
> reduce men and women to sperm and eggs either.
You were trying to work intersex people into a defense of bathroom colonization by saying we can't tell who's who and thus categories don't matter. That's incorrect and rude. Intersex people aren't a third sex and don't deserve to be used as a prop in a trans-rights debate anyways.
> And that the "rapists" who are attempting to infiltrate female spaces are an extreme minority,
The number of men testing the boundaries of women's boundaries and spaces is huge and would only go up if they suspected they had a chance.
> and are a danger to all women - cis and trans.
Maybe from passing violence during an intrusion, but trans women are not the target of these rapists. Also, trans women have the benefits of male biology which makes them a much tougher target if they were threatened.
> without banishing genuine trans women
I asked what kind of test you'd have us perform on the males, to see which ones are genuine trans women and which weren't.
How do you propose people do this without compromising their safety, like when a large male wants to enter a female rape shelter at night?
> if you can't understand how trans women are victims in this too
Let's just stipulate to that for now.
How does that imply that women's spaces are what they need to be safe, especially given the problems I've mentioned for the women who are already there? Why not Jewish spaces? Why not new third spaces? Why not arm yourselves and use the original spaces? There are a lot of possibilities here before we agree to take someone else's human rights and give them away.
> and [banish] them all as men, we're finished.
As males. If you don't acknowledge that most trans women have functional penises then you are intentionally not engaging with the problem.
> There is no point discussing your desire to
You're asking for too much to be uninterested in people's concerns.